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Canonical throws plenty of money into it tongue.gif

Yep I realize that, but it still isn't enough to bring in the masses.

Say for instance, games, which is a huge market, hardly any are supported on Linux. You'll need a company like Canonical to somehow convince these companies to invest in their OS and make the game natively supported. Valve might be able to do this actually, they might be able to help Canonical with it. But for the love of God, I hope they'll do it right.
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Canonical throws plenty of money into it tongue.gif

Yep I realize that, but it still isn't enough to bring in the masses.

Say for instance, games, which is a huge market, hardly any are supported on Linux. You'll need a company like Canonical to somehow convince these companies to invest in their OS and make the game natively supported. Valve might be able to do this actually, they might be able to help Canonical with it. But for the love of God, I hope they'll do it right.

Linux isn't ready for the masses anyway. I don't think the average user will be happy with what it is in it's current state. We've come a long in way in the past decade, but we're still missing stuff. More funding isn't going to help, we just have to let it grow on it's own. And like I said, most people won't want to switch anyway. I think the people that are right for Linux will "see the light" so to speak, on their own eventually anyway.
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Yep I realize that, but it still isn't enough to bring in the masses.
Say for instance, games, which is a huge market, hardly any are supported on Linux. You'll need a company like Canonical to somehow convince these companies to invest in their OS and make the game natively supported. Valve might be able to do this actually, they might be able to help Canonical with it. But for the love of God, I hope they'll do it right.

The Linux distro's won't convince game publishers plain and simple. The only way to convince the publishers to have their developers start working on an OpenGL version of their games is if the Linux community as a whole ( not just individual distro's or companies ) can show that there is a good number of people that would buy games on Linux. Otherwise, the risk to the publisher is too great, wasting money making a Linux version that will otherwise go wasted.

The current system bases a lot off of market share. But how do you measure the share of Linux when it is freely distributed millions of times over and not really 'sold' with computers? You can't. They'll be able to do so with servers running it and the few companies that do 'sell' their support with their distro like RHEL. And a few companies lik Asus / Dell that used to offer Ubuntu / Fedora on their laptops. But that's about it. Until they see market share means very little in this aspect, and listen to the community, it won't happen.

And they will NEVER be able to charge you for Linux. Period. RHEL technically doesn't charge you for the OS, they charge you for the support/service which is how they got around that.
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So how do you guys think the advertising should be done to get this OS to the masses and get people to not be afraid to try something new for a change because we want to try and up our human intellect in the world and make us as a race a bit smarter for a change. Way to many people out there having computer problems. My company teaches the world that everyone is more than capable to handle the little computer problems.
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I think as more people start to like Linux, the more it'll be polished and the more attention those small niggle problems will be fixed.
    
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So how do you guys think the advertising should be done to get this OS to the masses and get people to not be afraid to try something new for a change because we want to try and up our human intellect in the world and make us as a race a bit smarter for a change. Way to many people out there having computer problems. My company teaches the world that everyone is more than capable to handle the little computer problems.

I'd start with small advertisements on websites, expositions at gaming / hardware conferences. The red line should be plain and simple : it's free, maybe relate it to Android so people have an idea what you're talking about. Something along the lines of "We've given you Android on your phone, try Linux on your computer, it's free."

The problem is that there are a few things about Linux that don't work in this context, you'll need to concentrate on a specific OS or OS family to make it viable. Which means sacrificing many upon many other distros just to streamline things. That'll be a huge loss to the basic principal of Linux IMO.

I have no idea how or when Linux will be truly mainstream in the desktop/laptop section but as far as I can tell, it'll probably take longer than it has existed so far. Linux should probably be aimed at new markets in both respects. New devices (android being the huge success there) and developing countries. Since, IMO, laptops and desktops, in the West, are pretty much tied to MS and Apple. Google tried it and is still trying it with ChromeOS but it hasn't been a huge success (for now) so yeah... I wonder, if Google can't do it, who can ?
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I'd start with small advertisements on websites, expositions at gaming / hardware conferences. The red line should be plain and simple : it's free, maybe relate it to Android so people have an idea what you're talking about. Something along the lines of "We've given you Android on your phone, try Linux on your computer, it's free."
The problem is that there are a few things about Linux that don't work in this context, you'll need to concentrate on a specific OS or OS family to make it viable. Which means sacrificing many upon many other distros just to streamline things. That'll be a huge loss to the basic principal of Linux IMO.
I have no idea how or when Linux will be truly mainstream in the desktop/laptop section but as far as I can tell, it'll probably take longer than it has existed so far. Linux should probably be aimed at new markets in both respects. New devices (android being the huge success there) and developing countries. Since, IMO, laptops and desktops, in the West, are pretty much tied to MS and Apple. Google tried it and is still trying it with ChromeOS but it hasn't been a huge success (for now) so yeah... I wonder, if Google can't do it, who can ?

Google's basic problem is their choice of "OS". Chrome OS is entirely web dependent. With distros you do not have to be on the web all the time to actually do something useful. Finally, Chrome is selling with basically netbook hardware at usually a higher price and less storage space. All of those things kill it. Just like Windows killed the netbook(even though people claim it was pads).

As for the whole West thing...you got it. It's no wonder MS is only slightly concerned about piracy in places like China, Russia, and India. They are trying to get people ingrained into seeing and using Windows which they had already accomplished in the US through the education system (which now Apple is trying to get into). Outside of the US/West Linux actually seems to have a chance. I find it so amusing when people complain about not having freedom when they use windows or they say they won't move to Win8 because of a GUI. We don't have that problem.
     
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I find it so amusing when people complain about not having freedom when they use windows or they say they won't move to Win8 because of a GUI. We don't have that problem.

Most people also don't know you can change the GUI / DE in Linux because they're so used to Windows being what you get is what you get. It almost seems overwhelming to new users to see the sheer amount of options we have and may make it seem more difficult.
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Most people also don't know you can change the GUI / DE in Linux because they're so used to Windows being what you get is what you get. It almost seems overwhelming to new users to see the sheer amount of options we have and may make it seem more difficult.

Gah! That is one thing I hate hearing about but always remember one of my stupid statements when I started out was something of that nature and it calms me down a little. I never think about it that way anymore but perhaps they expect changing a GUI/DE to be taboo or extremely complicated since they've only ever understood the world through that and they expect it to be integral to the functioning of the OS. Then again, I tried to enable DreamScene in Win7 and that did not turn out as well as hacking old VistaHP to do it.

On the topic of spreading Linux: I think if any distro truly got going on ARM we would have a potential game changer. Imagine a Tegra device capable of VDPAU and more than capable of doing most people's desktop work. All while needing no fan, being lightweight, and having low power draw. An actually usable OS on an Asus Transformer or similar would change things I think.
     
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I don't know why this came to me and I may have missed it but...What about "bounties" for features/fixes/new programs? I mean some of us Linux user can't fix everything themselves because we're not programmers/versed enough/or have enough time to so we can't exactly "contribute". But what about outlaying a Kickstarter like setup where the end goal is to have a program do certain things and have certain features? I'm still thinking about how it might work but basically I'd love to start up a collective "bounty" fund for someone to "fix" the sound server problems and probably a bounty to create something that would end the GTK vs QT vs etc... where you have to have a separate program to handle GTK based programs in QT/KDE and so on. Or is this kind of handled already by the whole "fund our project" thing. I just figured maybe Linux would get further if it wasn't just the devs in control (so to speak) of the direction things go.
     
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