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  • 6% (1)
    Audio Technica AD900
  • 6% (1)
    "" AD700
  • 0% (0)
    "" A700
  • 0% (0)
    Shure SRH 840
  • 18% (3)
    Denon 2000
  • 43% (7)
    Grado SR225i
  • 12% (2)
    Sennheiser 598
  • 12% (2)
    Sennheiser 558
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post #11 of 21
Oh dear lord no.
598s and metal? Please don't do this.
They have nowhere near the intensity and immediacy in their response to be considered for metal.
They're for a laid back listening experience. The AD700s are even worse.

Don't get me wrong, I love those headphones, just please, not for metal, ever.

You'll want to look at:

Denon D2000
Ultrasone PRO550

And if you can get them for ~$100, Audio Technica ATH-M50s.

The Denons will probably be the most comfortable and versatile, while the Ultrasones will give you the best metal experience at the cost of comfort and versatility (That isn't to say they are bad for other genres, just not as good as the Denons.) The M50s are a great option for metal due to their speed and clarity in the low registers, and you can pick them up cheap nowadays used, or with some coupons.

The Denons also will probably have the most neutral response of the headphones I listed. The Ultrasones have mildly recessed mids and the Audio Technicas have enhanced bass.

Great choices on the amp and dac, by the way.
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Originally Posted by Themanbeast View Post

For those genres, it's nearly impossible to beat the Grados IMO.
I'd say the SR-60 would actually sound better than half your list, let alone the 225s.

Interesting. Quite a few threads say the 225.
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why not get a sound card with a built in headphone amplifier? i need new headphones too, but cant get any. been stuck with my cheap 9mm bullet ear buds. (spent everything i had on a 3570k)

Because most are god awful. Stand alone desktop outclasses everything PC could offer, unless you want SPIDF or something direct from your pc source to your stand alone DAC.

if you want to know more about my choices, visit this place, and you shall be enlightened:
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/
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Originally Posted by pangolinman View Post

Oh dear lord no.
598s and metal? Please don't do this.
They have nowhere near the intensity and immediacy in their response to be considered for metal.
They're for a laid back listening experience. The AD700s are even worse.
Don't get me wrong, I love those headphones, just please, not for metal, ever.
You'll want to look at:
Denon D2000
Ultrasone PRO550
And if you can get them for ~$100, Audio Technica ATH-M50s.
The Denons will probably be the most comfortable and versatile, while the Ultrasones will give you the best metal experience at the cost of comfort and versatility (That isn't to say they are bad for other genres, just not as good as the Denons.) The M50s are a great option for metal due to their speed and clarity in the low registers, and you can pick them up cheap nowadays used, or with some coupons.
The Denons also will probably have the most neutral response of the headphones I listed. The Ultrasones have mildly recessed mids and the Audio Technicas have enhanced bass.
Great choices on the amp and dac, by the way.

Interesting indeed. I was aiming for neutralitiy, but everyone raves about the Denons. I know the 5000 and 7000s have been discontinued though, side note.

Interesting. I would think the M50s are reserved for Bass Heads and Hip hop no? I don't understand the metal market too much, my apologies.

Hmm, from this thread and others what I'm seeing is

Grado Sr 225i vs the Denon 2000s.

My friend I forgot to mention loves the comfyness of my Dt990s and the soft fabric ear pads that encompass his ears. From what I've seen the 2000s are over the ear, and super comfy while the 225s are on ear?

Hmm.

Thanks for all the support guys! Very difficult decision in deed.

Oh and Pangolinman, thanks for the detailed response!
     
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if you want to know more about my choices, visit this place, and you shall be enlightened:
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/

Interesting indeed. I was aiming for neutralitiy, but everyone raves about the Denons. I know the 5000 and 7000s have been discontinued though, side note.

Interesting. I would think the M50s are reserved for Bass Heads and Hip hop no? I don't understand the metal market too much, my apologies.
!

I take his impressions of things with a grain of salt, but each to his own.

As for the M50s, some regard it as a mid-centric set of cans.
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post #14 of 21
well the headphone amp in my Xonar DG is actually pretty good. to me anyway. never had a problem with it.
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post #15 of 21
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I take his impressions of things with a grain of salt, but each to his own.
As for the M50s, some regard it as a mid-centric set of cans.

He certainly is well learned though, and affords Audio Precision grade testing equipment.

An Electrical Engineer, who's also read such books as http://books.google.com/books?id=cqYBIuYBUvsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=audio+engineering&hl=en&sa=X&ei=49ugT5ncE-SfiAfrg7zOBA&ved=0CE8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=audio%20engineering&f=false

and many others, I find he is trustable. I'd say he is worth his salt.


He builds quite a bit of ethos, and some prominent Hi-Fiers support his information. He can't be all bad, and certainly his amp is well liked.
     
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Interesting. Quite a few threads say the 225.
Because most are god awful. Stand alone desktop outclasses everything PC could offer, unless you want SPIDF or something direct from your pc source to your stand alone DAC.
if you want to know more about my choices, visit this place, and you shall be enlightened:
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/
Interesting indeed. I was aiming for neutralitiy, but everyone raves about the Denons. I know the 5000 and 7000s have been discontinued though, side note.
Interesting. I would think the M50s are reserved for Bass Heads and Hip hop no? I don't understand the metal market too much, my apologies.
Hmm, from this thread and others what I'm seeing is
Grado Sr 225i vs the Denon 2000s.
My friend I forgot to mention loves the comfyness of my Dt990s and the soft fabric ear pads that encompass his ears. From what I've seen the 2000s are over the ear, and super comfy while the 225s are on ear?
Hmm.
Thanks for all the support guys! Very difficult decision in deed.
Oh and Pangolinman, thanks for the detailed response!

No problem, glad to help.
M50s, I think, can be extended to metal heads as well. They're a very dynamic headphone, and they can keep up with hard drum hits and low basslines without blending together the sound like a more relaxed headphone would. It isn't that their bass is overpronounced, its that it extends down more linearly than most. Thusly, it seems like there is a bigger sub-bass presence, while the actual bass frequencies aren't all that elevated.

I have heard nothing but bad things about Grado comfort outside of the PS/GS models. That is one of the main reasons I have never tried them. Of course, you can always change earpads, and it is common practice to order a Sennheiser HD600 headband to cushion the Grado's, but consequently you end up with a silly looking frankenheadphone.

375

These are the Senn414 pads replacing the stock pads, which are said to smash your ears into your head.

The D2000s can't compete with a set of Beyers for comfort (for they are king in that regard, especially the premium models) but they will do well enough. Being closed and over ear, your ears may get a tad hot, but other than that, they should be good.

As for sound, Grados have a mid emphasis and are often lauded for vocal reproduction, whereas the Denons are generally more recognized for instrumentals. I will refrain from making further comments as to their respective sound signatures because I have not heard them, but this is simply what I have read from other peoples' opinions.

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Originally Posted by Swift Castiel View Post

I take his impressions of things with a grain of salt, but each to his own.
As for the M50s, some regard it as a mid-centric set of cans.

IMHO I wouldn't say so, personally. So many headphones have a V shaped frequency response (pumped up bass and treble) that when a headphone comes around that is more or less neutral (albeit with this sub-bass emphasis), people comment that it has enhanced mids.

Also, NwAvGuy generally doesn't give subjective impressions on his own gear apart from basics. He lets the graphs do most of the talking.
post #17 of 21
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No problem, glad to help.
M50s, I think, can be extended to metal heads as well. They're a very dynamic headphone, and they can keep up with hard drum hits and low basslines without blending together the sound like a more relaxed headphone would. It isn't that their bass is overpronounced, its that it extends down more linearly than most. Thusly, it seems like there is a bigger sub-bass presence, while the actual bass frequencies aren't all that elevated.
I have heard nothing but bad things about Grado comfort outside of the PS/GS models. That is one of the main reasons I have never tried them. Of course, you can always change earpads, and it is common practice to order a Sennheiser HD600 headband to cushion the Grado's, but consequently you end up with a silly looking frankenheadphone.
375
These are the Senn414 pads replacing the stock pads, which are said to smash your ears into your head.
The D2000s can't compete with a set of Beyers for comfort (for they are king in that regard, especially the premium models) but they will do well enough. Being closed and over ear, your ears may get a tad hot, but other than that, they should be good.
As for sound, Grados have a mid emphasis and are often lauded for vocal reproduction, whereas the Denons are generally more recognized for instrumentals. I will refrain from making further comments as to their respective sound signatures because I have not heard them, but this is simply what I have read from other peoples' opinions.
IMHO I wouldn't say so, personally. So many headphones have a V shaped frequency response (pumped up bass and treble) that when a headphone comes around that is more or less neutral (albeit with this sub-bass emphasis), people comment that it has enhanced mids.
Also, NwAvGuy generally doesn't give subjective impressions on his own gear apart from basics. He lets the graphs do most of the talking.

Hmm interesting indeed Pangolin,

I think that I'll get him some new AD2000s. But as I'm just realizing, these are as you say close backed.

I should clarify exactly what he wants:

My headphones essentially. My semi-openbacked DT990s. He's never heard Hi-Fi audio before, and even with my dinky e7, and my midrange 990 pros, with some ALAC tracks, his mind was blown. He said he wants something EXACTLY like mine. But the only thing for rock I can think of from Beyerdynamic are the DT880s, well above his price range. Hence why I questioned him about his music tastes, emerged with Rock and Metal. I was cruising through the interwebs, and making this thread.

He applauded my headphones for the headband comfort, the earpad comfort, the open back grill (he doesn't care about the extreme leakage) since he wants to be able to hear his parents, and the quality, even though it was Bass centric and Hip Hop designed.

Would the Denon 2000 outclass a beyerdynamic DT880 for his needs for less? He has specific needs, and I don't see anything from Shure, Grado, AKG, Audio Technica or the like to match these specs, besides the DT770 80ohm pros, a DJ headphone!

The Denon's are certainly well liked in rock and metal circles from the headfi threads I'm viewing right now. I guess I could remove the ear pads for beyerdynamic ones from the parts store, though I dunno how they would fit. I'm not sure if it is even possible to mod to an open back speaker grill, in fact I doubt it is.

He doesn't like the idea of the SR225is because they are on ear instead of Over the ear. Though if they are worth the sound I'm sure he will invest in these. The thread polls are pulling in favor of the SR225!

The thread has finally gotten down to specifics. Thank you so much for the help!
Edited by Spykerv - 5/2/12 at 12:31am
     
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Hmm interesting indeed Pangolin,
I think that I'll get him some new AD2000s. But as I'm just realizing, these are as you say close backed.
I should clarify exactly what he wants:
My headphones essentially. My semi-openbacked DT990s. He's never heard Hi-Fi audio before, and even with my dinky e7, and my midrange 990 pros, with some ALAC tracks, his mind was blown. He said he wants something EXACTLY like mine. But the only thing for rock I can think of from Beyerdynamic are the DT880s, well above his price range. Hence why I questioned him about his music tastes, emerged with Rock and Metal. I was cruising through the interwebs, and making this thread.
He applauded my headphones for the headband comfort, the earpad comfort, the open back grill (he doesn't care about the extreme leakage) since he wants to be able to hear his parents, and the quality, even though it was Bass centric and Hip Hop designed.
Would the Denon 2000 outclass a beyerdynamic DT880 for his needs for less? He has specific needs, and I don't see anything from Shure, Grado, AKG, Audio Technica or the like to match these specs, besides the DT770 80ohm pros, a DJ headphone!
The Denon's are certainly well liked in rock and metal circles from the headfi threads I'm viewing right now. I guess I could remove the ear pads for beyerdynamic ones from the parts store, though I dunno how they would fit. I'm not sure if it is even possible to mod to an open back speaker grill, in fact I doubt it is.
He doesn't like the idea of the SR225is because they are on ear instead of Over the ear.
The thread has finally gotten down to specifics. Thank you so much for the help!

Having owned a DT880 myself, I wouldn't recommend it for metal/rock. I found it did best in classical/jazz, which is sort of the polar opposite.

The D2000s would absolutely outclass the DT880s for his needs.

If he does want an open backed headphone that is good for metal, I may as well go ahead and recommend the DT990 PROs.

Only $177 on amazon, and they use the same drivers and earpads as the premium model. They have more clamping force, but with the velour earpads this becomes a non-issue. Also, with this tighter grip, the drivers are situated closer to the ear and should in theory give a more 'intense' sound. They're 250 ohms, but quite efficient, so the O2 should drive them easily.

I think what it boils down to is:

Closed: D2000
Open: DT990 PRO

Beyerdynamic has their own section on the exact differences in the PRO and Premium 880 model, which are essentially the same in the 990 model.
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Having owned a DT880 myself, I wouldn't recommend it for metal/rock. I found it did best in classical/jazz, which is sort of the polar opposite.
The D2000s would absolutely outclass the DT880s for his needs.
If he does want an open backed headphone that is good for metal, I may as well go ahead and recommend the DT990 PROs.
Only $177 on amazon, and they use the same drivers and earpads as the premium model. They have more clamping force, but with the velour earpads this becomes a non-issue. Also, with this tighter grip, the drivers are situated closer to the ear and should in theory give a more 'intense' sound. They're 250 ohms, but quite efficient, so the O2 should drive them easily.
I think what it boils down to is:
Closed: D2000
Open: DT990 PRO
Beyerdynamic has their own section on the exact differences in the PRO and Premium 880 model, which are essentially the same in the 990 model.

Would you look at that.

Those are my headphones, at the exact price I bought for! And He and I will own the same amp and the same dac very soon!

All a bit shocking really. I'm surprised you'd recommend the Pros! I bought the Pros for Rap and techno!!!!

The pro's are the premiums at 1/2 the cost. I avoided the over recommended M50s and dived straight for those when I found another OCN user tell me about their existence.

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comfort an issue?

just at home or portable use as well?
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