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Good points. I dunno, I still see NV having to much pride and dare we say arrogance to let it slide. Guess we'll know soon enough. lol

I have no doubt that we will see the rumored GK110 in a Geforce application, which SHOULD see a decent increase in GPGPU performance if it really does have the rumored 7bn transistors, but I still don't think we will see GPGPU performance scale as well as it has in previous generations. In terms of the raster performance vs GPGPU performance.

Both Nvidia and AMD seem obsessed with benchmark results in the desktop market in recent times. Just look at the driver optimisations that both of them are doing to get better 3DMark scores. So I think we are going to see this trend of GPGPU nerfed desktop cards from Nvidia continue. Also likely that AMD will follow suit.

It will be awesome from a gamers perspective, but obviously if you are a part time 3D artist or something like that who also games, you may not like the outcome as much
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I have no doubt that we will see the rumored GK110 in a Geforce application, which SHOULD see a decent increase in GPGPU performance if it really does have the rumored 7bn transistors, but I still don't think we will see GPGPU performance scale as well as it has in previous generations. In terms of the raster performance vs GPGPU performance.
Both Nvidia and AMD seem obsessed with benchmark results in the desktop market in recent times. Just look at the driver optimisations that both of them are doing to get better 3DMark scores. So I think we are going to see this trend of GPGPU nerfed desktop cards from Nvidia continue. Also likely that AMD will follow suit.
It will be awesome from a gamers perspective, but obviously if you are a part time 3D artist or something like that who also games, you may not like the outcome as much

Which is crap, because anybody who is interested in buying these cards knows that 3DMark doesn't mean diddly squat.

Also to the AMD point, I don't see it. They just got mad props for increasing their GPGPU performance with the 7900 series and they don't have any professional level cards like NV does, so it would be to their advantage to milk that for all it's worth if NV really is going to nerf desktop compute performance. Thoughts?
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New 3D glasses that don't hurt your eyes or dim your display so much you cant see anything and cost a crap load? yes? =) Free upgrade of old cards to newer ones! plz? =)
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Anyone else thinking this years GPU are F'n awesome?
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Also to the AMD point, I don't see it. They just got mad props for increasing their GPGPU performance with the 7900 series and they don't have any professional level cards like NV does, so it would be to their advantage to milk that for all it's worth if NV really is going to nerf desktop compute performance. Thoughts?
FireGL cards are old, but they've made FirePro / FirePro 3D / FireStream cards as late as late 2010.
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FireGL cards are old, but they've made FirePro / FirePro 3D / FireStream cards as late as late 2010.

Oh yea. Now I remember hearing about the FireGL. Maybe now AMD has much better compute performance, their pro cards will get better, they will sell more of them, get more profit and be able to roll it back into R&D for desktop cards.
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I severely doubt its a GTX 685. Have AMD launched anything to combat it? Are there rumours of such a card? No. There's rumours of the HD7990, hence why there's already a 690 but there's no need for a 685 yet. They'd rather milk GK104 for massive profits. I bet it's the 670 along with some major PhysX update or 3D Vision update or something.
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Which is crap, because anybody who is interested in buying these cards knows that 3DMark doesn't mean diddly squat.
Also to the AMD point, I don't see it. They just got mad props for increasing their GPGPU performance with the 7900 series and they don't have any professional level cards like NV does, so it would be to their advantage to milk that for all it's worth if NV really is going to nerf desktop compute performance. Thoughts?

That's the thing though.

They can develop new FirePro GPU's and concentrate on raster performance with their desktop range. After all, we are lucky in the GPU scene that both AMD and Nvidia are making very competitive products. If Nvidia cut GPGPU performance but boost raster performance by a noticeable margin, like the GTX680 has (since its only supposed to be mid-range but competes with the 7970), that poses a threat to AMD's desktop range. Which would mean that AMD would have to basically follow Nvidia in cutting the GPGPU performance down to increase raster perf. Otherwise AMD run the risk of getting caught well behind in gaming performance. Which ultimately, is what matters most to 90% of users.

Although, this is all based on the assumption that Nvidia will continue this trend of cutting GPGPU performance on Geforce cards. Seeing as they completely re-designed the CUDA pipeline from previous generations, I would say its highly likely that Nvidia will continue along this path with the Kepler refresh and Maxwell.
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I severely doubt its a GTX 685. Have AMD launched anything to combat it? Are there rumours of such a card? No. There's rumours of the HD7990, hence why there's already a 690 but there's no need for a 685 yet. They'd rather milk GK104 for massive profits. I bet it's the 670 along with some major PhysX update or 3D Vision update or something.

670 doesn't fit the bill on "Big GPU News" IMO. I remember seeing a leaked graph on Nvidia cards release. This fits as the 685. could be wrong, but don't think so. GK110 685 for "Big GPU News".
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Sure they've also released similar GPUs as Geforce cards before, but...
a) They are introducing a Tesla card in may 15th

They're not introducing a product. they're just going to give to info on the big chip they've been working on.
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b) Such card will be released by the end of 2012

haven't seen any proof of this as of yet.
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c) They've just released GTX690

doesn't matter it's a dual GPU card, the GK110 wouldn't be competing with it in performance.
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d) GK104 performs like crap in GPGPU

just like GF104, GF114 which were also designed to be gaming chips, are much more effective at gaming than GF100, GF110, and were also gimped much more so than GF100, GF110 just like the GK104 is gimped in that regard.
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http://blogs.nvidia.com/2012/05/nvidia-ceo-headline-gtc-2012-keynotes/
So, do you still believe that the chip that they will be introducing will actually launch at Geforce cards? Keep in mind that we have never seen a situation like this, and that the professional cards that NVIDIA owns features a HUGE gross margin (look at the raw numbers that compare 2011 vs 2012, in fiscal years). Altogether, with the fact that the professional segment is growing at a very nice pace, makes me wonder if the chip they will show will ever launch as a Geforce card because it could be designed with only GPGPU in mind...and that wouldn't be a bad idea at all when you realise that using different chips for different targets, if they are large enough, brings a lot of efficiency to the table (as it is, GK104 is super efficient at raster tasks...but is crappy at gpgpu ones...).

Yes I still fully believe that it will release as a GeForce product. The only differences with the situation at the moment compared to older generations are that the mainstream gamer chip GK104 (compare to GF114 etc.) was released before the high end and as a result of the chip being remarkably good and AMD gouging prices are really high compared to the cost of making the chips (die size, I know it's not the only factor at all but both manufacturers are making a killing with current gen cards)

Again GF100 and the refresh GF110 were already pretty much completely designed to be GPGPU chips and they did release as GeForce products. NV's professional cards have always been costly but you have to remember that that's the case with pretty much all products that have support like the tesla cards do. Dedicated drivers also need to be made so obviously the price is higher.

Lastly the thing that also needs to be considered is that if prices stay as high as they are now such a card would likely be over 600$, maybe even 700. That's more than enough for NV to make a profit out of it and because of that it makes sense to release it as a gaming card as well.
 
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