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670 doesn't fit the bill on "Big GPU News" IMO. I remember seeing a leaked graph on Nvidia cards release. This fits as the 685. could be wrong, but don't think so. GK110 685 for "Big GPU News".

Actually, I think GK100 being it is the news now. But not GTX 685...Just a Telsa version with some massive increases in GPGPU performance.
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Like I said a few posts back, all of you saying that it's a workstation card - are the people making the most sense to me. I believe you are correct. I just hope you are wrong, and nividia unintelligently releases the gk110/285.

I think most of us (gamers) would prefer a single card that is 75% as fast as a 690, than multi gpu solutions that are a tad faster. In fact, i'm willing to bet that 48.7% of us are waiting for a faster single gpu to justify the upgrade from the 480/580.

Yes, 48.7% of us. I speak only in facts.
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Jen-Hsun Huang's gonna roll a Barbarian and gonna stream his attempt to be the first one to reach level 60 live on nvidia.com
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Here's the thing. Do you think Nvidia would be dumb enough to lose market share to AMD for the people that want to game and also do Folding@Home, considering NVida is the fastest at F@H? I don't think so. There will be a Geforce card that is good at both gaming and GPGPU. It won't game as good as GK104 or compute as good as Quadro, but it will exist. Maybe not on May15th, but end of this year or early next you bet ya.

If you just look at the numbers, you will realise that the area of NVIDIA that is growing the most are both the Tegra products and the Quadro/Tesla ones. Tesla, for instance, represented in 2008 the 2% of the total revenue, whereas 2 years later it grow to a 13% (in 2010). So, the trend is to keep growing, and it is doing very well at it.
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They're not introducing a product. they're just going to give to info on the big chip they've been working on.
haven't seen any proof of this as of yet.
doesn't matter it's a dual GPU card, the GK110 wouldn't be competing with it in performance.
just like GF104, GF114 which were also designed to be gaming chips, are much more effective at gaming than GF100, GF110, and were also gimped much more so than GF100, GF110 just like the GK104 is gimped in that regard.
Yes I still fully believe that it will release as a GeForce product. The only differences with the situation at the moment compared to older generations are that the mainstream gamer chip GK104 (compare to GF114 etc.) was released before the high end and as a result of the chip being remarkably good and AMD gouging prices are really high compared to the cost of making the chips (die size, I know it's not the only factor at all but both manufacturers are making a killing with current gen cards)
Again GF100 and the refresh GF110 were already pretty much completely designed to be GPGPU chips and they did release as GeForce products. NV's professional cards have always been costly but you have to remember that that's the case with pretty much all products that have support like the tesla cards do. Dedicated drivers also need to be made so obviously the price is higher.
Lastly the thing that also needs to be considered is that if prices stay as high as they are now such a card would likely be over 600$, maybe even 700. That's more than enough for NV to make a profit out of it and because of that it makes sense to release it as a gaming card as well.

Actually, they will be introducing a product, the Kepler Tesla based products, but they won't release until the end of 2012, as it states here:

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http://blogs.nvidia.com./2012/04/contest-what-would-you-do-with-a-petaflop-supercomputer/

Now, lets keep something in mind: whenever you design a chip you not only keep in mind how powerful you want it to be, but you also think of what will you do with the die if they aren't good enough to become the high end sku as you can't just throw them away. So, lets imagine that NVIDIA releases GK110 as a Geforce product, with some decent gpgpu power. We can assume that:

a) It could be something like a 30-40% more powerful than a GTX680. Even at 300W tdp I don't think it could be much more than that due to the inefficiency of the gpgpu circuitry that should be present here but its not in GK104
b) There should be a second tier (and probably a third one, according to how NVIDIA worked with their chips for the last generations), that would sit at a marginally 10% from the GTX680...but it would require a lot more power (due to the gpgpu capabilities) and would be a lot more expensive to build.
c) The third tier would never be released because it would interfere directly with GK104 in either of those ways.

Do you see what I'm trying to point out here? It makes no sense to release another chip with the lineup they have right now. Its not logical, not even by the end of this year, and thus I believe the Tesla card will have a chip that won't come to Geforce cards. Historically, NVIDIA never released such a cluster-**** of chips as some of you propose. Wether you look at the GF200 era, or the recent GF100, the cards using the same chip are correlative... and you just don't create a dual card that isn't using the highest end chips you have...nor you release the most powerful single gpu 1 year after you launched your lineup because it would piss off pretty much everybody.

Also, you seem to forget the financial raw numbers: a few years ago the revenue that Tesla generated was so small that it would have never been worth it to design a product entirely for such product. Now, times are changing and the professional series brought HUGE margins (if you go to look at those statements, you will see that from 2011 to 2012 the gross margin grew up by a 40% because Tesla/quadro and Tegra saw huge revenue increases...also, the net income more than doubled. Altogether this makes it very clear to me that NVIDIA will be aiming to make very strong products for the compute scene...not only because such market is growing big (NVIDIA has around 80% of market share), but because Intel will enter it and NVIDIA want to remain where they are.

So, IMO, its clear that on may 15th they will announce a chip that will never be released as a Geforce card because it was never intended to work properly for raster applications. The compute products NVIDIA has is growing very fast and is big now, which is more than enough to grant them a chip all for themselves, without the need to make chips which aren't efficient at any single task because you have to create them for all the ranges NVIDIA has. It makes no sense to me to deliver multi purpose products when they are aimed at very very different sectors, with very different needs and, primarily, very different budgets. Do you think it makes sense to sell the same die for a $250 GTX560 448 and a $2000 Tesla C2075? Sure, if Tesla weren't big enough to grant its own chip...but the way they designed GK104, its very clear they are aiming for specialized products...which totally makes sense in the world we live.
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Like I said a few posts back, all of you saying that it's a workstation card - are the people making the most sense to me. I believe you are correct. I just hope you are wrong, and nividia unintelligently releases the gk110/285.
I think most of us (gamers) would prefer a single card that is 75% as fast as a 690, than multi gpu solutions that are a tad faster. In fact, i'm willing to bet that 48.7% of us are waiting for a faster single gpu to justify the upgrade from the 480/580.
Yes, 48.7% of us. I speak only in facts.

They won't release a 685 just after the 690. It'd eat into its marketshare and all that. More likely GK100 won't ever be released, just refined into GK110 and released after AMD announces the HD8970.

I still think it's software or workstation related...I mean, imagine if they got Havok on GPU? Gives us PhysX card owners (9800GTX+ here) a reason to keep the cards other than F@H and the occasional game of UT3 or Mafia 2 as unlikely as it is.
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Firstly, the Geforce range are designed for graphically intensive tasks such as gaming. They are not designed with professional GPGPU applications in mind.

100% correct.
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Secondly, QuadroFX cards are not, and will not, ever be intended for gaming/graphical uses. They are workstation cards. They are intended for GPGPU applications such as render farms and for use in professional applications of CUDA accelerated software such as Photoshop.

Not quite. The primary purpose of QuadroFX or any other workstation-class card is OpenGL performance and rendering accuracy, where as the gaming cards are more focused towards Direct3D. The drivers for QuadroFX cards enable features on the chip which the gaming drivers do not enable. Moreover, like others have said the workstation-class cards are fully supported by nVidia, where as the gaming cards are "supported" by the AIB partner.

I'm not so sure about QuadroFX being used in render farms; they are primarily a workstation card, and you wouldn't put one in a rackmount server.
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Thirdly, Tesla cards are intended for ultra high-end workstations and primarily, for supercomputer applications.

Yes. The primary use of Tesla is server applications such as HPC, 3D render farms and big data analytics, although conceivably they could be used across multiple web server applications such as SSL acceleration, (de)compression and image processing.

I think this big announcement is most likely GPGPU-related, and likely concerns GK110 as being the next big GPGPU chip, with all of the ECC and other exotica fully enabled. A workstation derivative (GK112?) and a gaming derivative (GK114?) with probably follow in the months to come.

I certainly do not think that GTX685 or GTX780 will make an appearance until much later this year - it's way too soon, and lower-spec gaming cards make more sense - and that in turn will depend on activity from AMD.
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Well, it's the 15th today. Any ideas when the announcement will be made?
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Well, it's the 15th today. Any ideas when the announcement will be made?

The answer is right there in the OP.
 
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Oh of course. Sorry. Still about 7 hours to go, then.
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Oh of course. Sorry. Still about 7 hours to go, then.

Awww...I'm going to be at school then.
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