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You must new to computers. Microsoft is the only one known for anti-competitive tactics and has achieved the status of embrace, extend, and extinguish.

Yes, I didn't even know what a mouse was until yesterday. rolleyes.gif

So Microsoft are the only ones known for anti-competitive tactics. So you're saying the term "anti-competitive tactics" was invented just for Microsoft. I have to say that's pretty impressive, honestly.
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The Kindle Fire is a pad and thus matches the ipod touch and ipod touch 9inch. So if Apple meant exclusive from any competition with their "i" products then that means at the least the Fire had to go. But I have heard of people doing some normal pad things with the other Kindles.

The Kindle Fire is a slow touchpad, with little to no apps and a mediocre display. An iPad is a fast tablet with great graphics, and a display unmatched in the mobile market both in resolution and color reproduction, with the best mobile apps on a portable device.

The only advantage of the kindle is its lower price.

OT: If people get over their childish Apple hate, they would understand that this is much more likely the result of Target's competition with Amazon or the fact that selling the Kindles was unprofitable to the stores, and has nothing to do with Apple.

I hope you guys understand how illogical you sound.
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Originally Posted by manifest3r View Post

This is why: http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/apple/apple-mini-store-shows-up-inside-vista-ca-target/attachment/apple-store-in-target/
Apple doesn't want competition at Target stores.
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That explains it. mad.gif
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post

Bribery much? Sounds like the typical Apple, doesn't even surprise me anymore.
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Interesting. And also, I wouldn't doubt for a second that's the case.
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Explains a lot. mad.gif
lol.
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Originally Posted by Kaldari View Post

This is the way Apple competes with competition. They eliminate them instead of having to actually compete.

Edited by born2bwild - 5/3/12 at 3:13am
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This is why: http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/apple/apple-mini-store-shows-up-inside-vista-ca-target/attachment/apple-store-in-target/
Apple doesn't want competition at Target stores.

That's some great business ethics right there
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The Kindle is a pile of poop, thats why.

Why sell something with bad demand, profit, features?
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OT: If people get over their childish Apple hate, they would understand that this is much more likely the result of Target's competition with Amazon or the fact that selling the Kindles was unprofitable to the stores, and has nothing to do with Apple.
I hope you guys understand how uneducated and childish you all sound. Pray tell me who's more sheepish and uneducated now; the Apple fans or the haters?

"... more likely the result of ..."

Your choice of words shows you're just as certain about why they're doing it as anyone else in this thread, which means we have every bit of likelihood of being right as you do. Inferring that there's no way the Apple stores opening and the Kindle's phasing out aren't a coincidence is unjustifiable, honestly. Their business practices would put that well within the realm of possibility I would say.

Perhaps you should look at who's being the childish one with your "uneducated and childish" slandering, Mr. More Likely The Result Of.
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"... more likely the result of ..."
Your choice of words shows you're just as certain about why they're doing it as anyone else in this thread, which means we have every bit of likelihood of being right as you do. Inferring that there's no way the Apple stores opening and the Kindle's phasing out aren't a coincidence is unjustifiable, honestly. Their business practices would put that well within the realm of possibility I would say.
Perhaps you should look at who's being the childish one with your "uneducated and childish" slandering, Mr. More Likely The Result Of.

The cause of the withdrawal of Kindles can be due to something other than the two cases I proposed, but what I know is Apple has nothing to do with this (as there is no such evidence, nor any logical reason why Apple would do this), and it's absolutely illogical to even bring Apple into this discusion.

Besides, Apple's business practices are not unlike any other tech companies. In fact Samsung and Microsoft have been far more often been caught and fined for anti-trust purposes and price fixing, and other such illegal activities.

Once again, I implore you to educate yourself if you want a proper, logical discussion.
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The cause of the withdrawal of Kindles can be due to something other than the two cases I proposed, but what I know is Apple has nothing to do with this, and it's absolutely illogical to even bring it up. Apple's business practices are not unlike any other tech companies, in fact Samsung and Microsoft have been far more often been caught and fined for anti-trust purposes and price fixing.
Once again, I implore you to educate yourself if you want a proper, logical discussion.

I would like you to cite your source for how there's no way Apple could be involved. You're talking out your bum otherwise.

Being anonymous over the internet mostly eliminates the consequences of being able to rattle off insults at other people. Unfortunate really..
Edited by Kaldari - 5/3/12 at 9:53am
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I would like you to cite your source for how there's no way Apple could be involved. You're talking about your bum otherwise.

Reasons why obviously Apple is not involved:
- Apple has no reason to do this; iPad sales are through the roof and the Kindle is not threatening them with its sluggish sales
- Apple wouldn't take the large risk of getting sued heavily for anti-trust to block a single device that does not pose a threat
- Apple has not attempted block off a multitudes of places that also sell both tablets, i.e. Bestbuy

Reasons why Target decided on its own:
- Amazon is hurting retailers, and this is their way of getting back at Amazon
- Kindle sales are sluggish and the profit on each device is low

A much more valid question would be, why would you even think Apple was involved?

- Simply because Apple got their own mini-store at Target? That's a very weak reasoning since Apple already has its "stores" within stores in many retailers, and has had for such a long while, and that Apple has never interefered with any tablet sales in any of its partner's stores.

- Or that Apple has a bad history of patent disputes? In which case, I would tell you that you that most other tech companies regularly sue each other. As an example, Motorola just recently attempted blocked off the sales of Windows and Xbox.
Apple just gets the front page, because at the moment it is a very popular company. Unfortunately some take this as the evidence that Apple is the only one doing this. But in reality, since 2008 every major tech company has sued many of their competitors.
Not to mention as I said, many of Apple's tech peers, i.e. Samsung and Microsoft have a much worse anti-competitive history of practices.


I do however apologize for offending you, my temper got the best of me. I have edited my post to reflect that.
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Reasons why obviously Apple is not involved:
- Apple has no reason to do this; iPad sales are through the roof and the Kindle is not threatening them with its sluggish sales
- Apple wouldn't take the large risk of getting sued heavily for anti-trust to block a single device that does not pose a threat
- Apple has not attempted block off a multitudes of places that also sell both tablets, i.e. Bestbuy
Reasons why Target decided on its own:
- Amazon is hurting retailers, and this is their way of getting back at Amazon
- Kindle sales are sluggish and the profit on each device is low
A much more valid question would be, why would you even think Apple was involved?
- Simply because Apple got their own mini-store at Target? That's a very weak reasoning since Apple already has its "stores" within stores in many retailers, and has had for such a long while, and that Apple has never interefered with any tablet sales in any of its partner's stores.
- Or that Apple has a bad history of patent disputes? In which case, I would tell you that you that most other tech companies regularly sue each other. As an example, Motorola just recently attempted blocked off the sales of Windows and Xbox.
Apple just gets the front page, because at the moment it is a very popular company. Unfortunately some take this as the evidence that Apple is the only one doing this. But in reality, since 2008 every major tech company has sued many of their competitors.
Not to mention as I said, many of Apple's tech peers, i.e. Samsung and Microsoft have a much worse anti-competitive history of practices.
I do however apologize for offending you, my temper got the best of me. I have edited my post to reflect that.

It's no secret that patent wars are constantly fought by any number of companies. The crazy diagrams showing who is suing who at any given time are crazy, and I would think most people who frequent these forums have seen them. No secret there.

I'm still not seeing any direct evidence directly excluding Apple from any part in this. Obviously you would probably never hear it, even if it were true. Your hypothesis is plausible but nonetheless no more provable than anything else in this thread. I use hypothesis because a theory is something that has be shown to be fact as closely as we can through observation and experiments. As far as I can tell, you do not have a source with Target giving any reason as to why they're getting rid of the Kindle. You're just trying to connect dots.

Someone who is mainly into reading books may just as readily buy a Kindle if they walk by it on their way to check out an iPad at the Apple store in the same Target. Apple products are big business, so why allow the potential sale of such a big ticket item and possibly other products and accessories with cheaper alternatives within arm's reach, especially when e-ink readers are objectively better for reading books.

What you're saying could very well be true, but you having no way to prove it makes it no more true than what I just said.
Edited by Kaldari - 5/3/12 at 3:42am
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I'm still not seeing any direct evidence directly excluding Apple from any part in this.
The correct way of using logic is to say you have not seen any direct evidence including Apple into any part of this. Guilty by association is a logical fallacy.
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