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Near a Fry's.. not a MC.

We're looking at a i5-2500k w/ a cheapo motherboard for MINOR overclocking.
Paired with a 6950 or a 560Ti (if we can find a deal).
Otherwise, what would be the other best video card?

He purchased some RAM last night, 12GB (3x4GB sticks), for $43.00 after rebate.
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2500K is just over $200 here in Australia now a board to suit will be around $130 ish if you can though squeeze a little extra out cash wise you`ll get an ASRock Fatality Performance Z77 for $180 ish with a poss upgrade later to an ivy bridge it will take the 2500K being a 1155 socket board but you wont have the pci-e 3.0 enabled without an ivy bridge cpu ....rolleyes.gif
    
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Right now, I have it at $545.00 not including shipping/tax.
Tack on $50 for RAM (we already have it), we're pretty much at $600, so we've got 400 left to spend.

This is with the ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 and i5-2500k, plus a DVD Drive w/ 1TB HDD (Seagate Barracuda @ 7200RPM).
And an NZXT Phantom Mid-Tower.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Motherboards%20-%20Intel-_-ASRock-_-13157271&AID=10440897&PID=3938566&SID=


With $400 left to spend, let's tack off another $100 for monitor (we've got a cheeeap keyboard/mouse).

$300 left to spend on a PSU (looking for a Corsair TX650.. I got mine for $65, hoping we get the same deal) and GPU.
Any recommendations?

Right now we're looking at a 560Ti / 6950.
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btw i would not recommend using 12GB 3 sticks of rams since it wont work in dual channel and with cripple ur performance.
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Modular is nice and all, but not worth dropping down a GPU class to buy. I recommend an Antec Earthwatts 430D or Rosewill Green 530w:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199

Then if you're feeling ambitious you could step up to a

560Ti 448
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130758
6950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150549
or 7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131464

or just pocket the savings.
    
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btw i would not recommend using 12GB 3 sticks of rams since it wont work in dual channel and with cripple ur performance.

If it's not noticeable, it won't matter much.
Max thing he's using this for is BF3..
Even then, RAM is pretty low-level, right?
He is a heavy coder, though..
Perhaps it'd affect his compilation time, by maybe a few seconds? Or longer?
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Originally Posted by MisterFred View Post

Modular is nice and all, but not worth dropping down a GPU class to buy. I recommend an Antec Earthwatts 430D or Rosewill Green 530w:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199
Then if you're feeling ambitious you could step up to a
560Ti 448
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130758
6950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150549
or 7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131464
or just pocket the savings.

We'd really only need under 550 or so?
Surprising.

Will keep that in mind.
How do those three cards rank?
Against each other? as in, which would be the 'top dog'?

I know the 560Ti and 6950 are pretty much head to head, but the 7850?
post #27 of 44
Most power estimators have to take into account horrible low-quality supplies that can't provide close to their 'rated' power. Computers nowadays, unless you're overclocking a bulldozer or something, don't take that much juice. You can go to the power supplies forum here and use Phaedrus' power calculator if you want. FYI the estimates that program provided are already inflated for comfortable overkill & safety margin.

For a heavily overclocked i5-2500k with a heavily overclocked & overvolted 6950 + extra margin for overkill it estimates a 525w PSU will be good. And frankly, Phaedrus estimates a far more aggressive overclock & use pattern than most computer owners will attempt.

For non-overclocking numbers (taken from anandtech), total system draw for a 6950 or 560Ti variant will be about 350w. And iirc that test was done with the more power-hungry predecessor to sandy bridge. If you get the 7850 it'll be significantly lower than that. For 99% of computer users with a single graphics card and a sandy bridge CPU, a 450w system is already overkill. If you get a quality power supply that's not rating-inflated crap.

P.S. Note the Antec I linked above does not come with a spare power cable (from the PSU to the wall socket). So if you don't have a spare computer or monitor power cable lying around you'll need to find an extra somewhere or buy it for $3 or so.

The various card ranks are tough to estimate. In various games or settings, Nvidia or AMD will do better. For instance Nvidia is better running high levels of AA; Shogun 2:Total War runs at significantly higher average FPS on AMD graphics cards. In general I consider it something like this:
560=6870<560Ti<6950<560Ti 448<7850
Each step in reality being fairly small.

This tool can help a bit:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/
but it doesn't have the 560Ti 448 (which is itself a dumbed down version of a 570, so inbetween the performance of a 560Ti & 570). And it doesn't take into account overclocking potential. The 7850 can be significantly overclocked without overvolting the card (and thus remaining safe & within warranty), and is generally less power hungry and therefore slightly quieter, so I consider it the best of the bunch. Not overclocked it should be near the 6950 in performance. And it is usually more expensive than the other options.

P.S. RAM is one of those things that's either enough or it's not. if you don't have enough RAM everything about your system will slow to a crawl. Remember the old days when your computer had a hissy fit and froze up temporarily as the hard drive chugged away when you tried to do something hard/multi-tasked? That's a RAM shortage, with Windows compensating by using the hard drive. REALLY noticeable. On the other hand, having too much RAM gets you virtually no benefit. 8GB is usually comfortable overkill except for people editing large media files. Just get a 2x4gb kit... er, keep the one you have. It'll almost always be more than enough. If you need more, get another two sticks of the same type of RAM. As a previous poster said with an 1155 mobo you must use 2 or 4 sticks of RAM or you lose dual-channel benefits.
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Originally Posted by MisterFred View Post

Most power estimators have to take into account horrible low-quality supplies that can't provide close to their 'rated' power. Computers nowadays, unless you're overclocking a bulldozer or something, don't take that much juice. You can go to the power supplies forum here and use Phaedrus' power calculator if you want. FYI the estimates that program provided are already inflated for comfortable overkill & safety margin.
For a heavily overclocked i5-2500k with a heavily overclocked & overvolted 6950 + extra margin for overkill it estimates a 525w PSU will be good. And frankly, Phaedrus estimates a far more aggressive overclock & use pattern than most computer owners will attempt.
For non-overclocking numbers (taken from anandtech), total system draw for a 6950 or 560Ti variant will be about 350w. And iirc that test was done with the more power-hungry predecessor to sandy bridge. If you get the 7850 it'll be significantly lower than that. For 99% of computer users with a single graphics card and a sandy bridge CPU, a 450w system is already overkill. If you get a quality power supply that's not rating-inflated crap.
P.S. Note the Antec I linked above does not come with a spare power cable (from the PSU to the wall socket). So if you don't have a spare computer or monitor power cable lying around you'll need to find an extra somewhere or buy it for $3 or so.
The various card ranks are tough to estimate. In various games or settings, Nvidia or AMD will do better. For instance Nvidia is better running high levels of AA; Shogun 2:Total War runs at significantly higher average FPS on AMD graphics cards. In general I consider it something like this:
560=6870<560Ti<6950<560Ti 448<7850
Each step in reality being fairly small.
This tool can help a bit:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/
but it doesn't have the 560Ti 448 (which is itself a dumbed down version of a 570, so inbetween the performance of a 560Ti & 570). And it doesn't take into account overclocking potential. The 7850 can be significantly overclocked without overvolting the card (and thus remaining safe & within warranty), and is generally less power hungry and therefore slightly quieter, so I consider it the best of the bunch. Not overclocked it should be near the 6950 in performance. And it is usually more expensive than the other options.
P.S. RAM is one of those things that's either enough or it's not. if you don't have enough RAM everything about your system will slow to a crawl. Remember the old days when your computer had a hissy fit and froze up temporarily as the hard drive chugged away when you tried to do something hard/multi-tasked? That's a RAM shortage, with Windows compensating by using the hard drive. REALLY noticeable. On the other hand, having too much RAM gets you virtually no benefit. 8GB is usually comfortable overkill except for people editing large media files. Just get a 2x4gb kit... er, keep the one you have. It'll almost always be more than enough. If you need more, get another two sticks of the same type of RAM. As a previous poster said with an 1155 mobo you must use 2 or 4 sticks of RAM or you lose dual-channel benefits.

Just the info I needed + some.
Rep will be going around once everything is settled in.

Until then, we'll be looking at some 7850s, 560s, or 6950s to grab.

Yeah, I knew the PSU would be fairly small, just not that small.
I usually like to get around the 500W range as it allows for lots of future-proofing and is just good to have.

Thanks for all the help guys, any more info regarding the graphics cards would be greatly appreciated, with all the new architectures coming out, things start getting confusing!
post #29 of 44
whats the budget on the gpu let me do some searching for you im sure to find you the best going for your budget im somewhat good at that got my ASRock Z77 Fatal1ty Performance for $183 and a I5 3570K for $241 in Australia ....wink.gif Edit : have to change my sig rig too
    
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I'll say $250 max, aiming at 200 on a gpu.
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