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I have been running my PC now for over a year with no real problems, until the last few weeks. I have a hard crash ( freeze with buzz sound) and must reboot. This only happens durring games ( BF3 etc). It didn't do this until after I got my new msi 7870 a few weeks ago. So I did a quick PSU calculator on what my hardware is, and is says min 650 watts.

The specs
i7-975 4.2
sabertooth x58 motherboard
msi 7870 stock clocks
6gb crucal ballistics ddr3 tri channel ram at 18xxmhz 1.4volts
1>spinpoint F3 HD
1>CD/DVD RW
sound blaster titanium sound card
liguid cooling H50
2>200mm fans w/led
1>140mm w/led
5>120mm w/led
2>12in case lights
and usaly a game pad or flightstick
other lights for power,etc.

All this on a Antec 650 watt TP PSU. Could this be a power issue, as I have never had such an issue befor. Thanks
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post #2 of 9
Nope, the problem seems to revolve around the 7870 you installed, being either a problem with the card itself or its drivers. Your system would be fine with even just a 350-400 watt PSU, realistically.
post #3 of 9
I would say it is either AMD drivers (probably this) or a bad card. I ran two 7970s on a 750w PSU, you should be fine with 650w.
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post #4 of 9
Provided that the PSU is in full working order it should not be the cause of the problem. As other have said I would blame the drivers so clean and re-install them.
    
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post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
Ok I reinstalled drivers,set everything to default clocks/settings (cpu,gpu,ram ect). Still have crash after about 15min of gamming. The PSU is about 14 months old. Can anyone think of anything else? I reinstalled the OS right after getting the new 7870. I still have my 470 and will try it tommorow. Just off hand anyone ever did a RMA with MSI?
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post #6 of 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by tango bango View Post

Ok I reinstalled drivers,set everything to default clocks/settings (cpu,gpu,ram ect). Still have crash after about 15min of gamming. The PSU is about 14 months old. Can anyone think of anything else? I reinstalled the OS right after getting the new 7870. I still have my 470 and will try it tommorow. Just off hand anyone ever did a RMA with MSI?
It may be easier to return or exchange through the reseller where you bought your card.
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GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
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Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
None PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 1/1" ID 3/4... Swiftech MCP655 Koolance VID-NX680 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance VID-NX680 Danger Den Monsoon D5 Bay Reservoir Enzotech Compression Fittings Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15 x4 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
EK-Supreme HF XSPC RX480 Win 7 Ultimate 64bit Acer 23" 1080p S232HL #1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer 23" 1080p S232HL #2 Acer 23" 1080p S232HL #3 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Mechanical Keyboard Seasonic X750 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Danger Den 26  Razer Deathadder My cat, or other small, furry creatures. Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium 
Audio
Sennheiser HD555 Headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II 955 Black Edition ASUS Crosshair iv Formula SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6950 2GB (unlocked) - ref Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM None NZXT havik Win 7 Ultimate 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 19" LCD Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Mechanical Keyboard  CORSAIR TX650 Antec 902 
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post #7 of 9
Do a BIOS update before you send the card back, it could be the motherboard as well... and while you're at it, run Memtest too.
post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 
Ok, this is what I have did so far. I took the 7870 out and put it in another PC (alienware x58 system with 875w psu). Ran a game for about a hour or so and had no crashes. I took the 470 I had be for I got the 7870, and put it back in, and played for a couple of hours and had no crashes. So now what should I do. If its a hardware problem (MB,ram,psu ect) would it crash with the 470.
My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k Gigabyte Z97 EVGA 970 ftw G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital WD VelociRaptor ASUS DVD/CD combo Window 7 64 samsung 27 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec TP 650 NXZT Phantom Wolfking Truuper Blue 
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My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k Gigabyte Z97 EVGA 970 ftw G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital WD VelociRaptor ASUS DVD/CD combo Window 7 64 samsung 27 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec TP 650 NXZT Phantom Wolfking Truuper Blue 
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post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
After days of asking questions and trying new things it seems to be either the driver (12.4) or (msi afterburner). I'm still testing, but I had remembered the crashes with both msi AB and trixx. Don't know why as all I used those utility's for was to setup a custom fan profile and no OC.
My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k Gigabyte Z97 EVGA 970 ftw G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital WD VelociRaptor ASUS DVD/CD combo Window 7 64 samsung 27 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec TP 650 NXZT Phantom Wolfking Truuper Blue 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k Gigabyte Z97 EVGA 970 ftw G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital WD VelociRaptor ASUS DVD/CD combo Window 7 64 samsung 27 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec TP 650 NXZT Phantom Wolfking Truuper Blue 
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