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this is like arguing the difference between woodcrest and kentsfield
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Originally Posted by triggerc View Post
did you know that wikipedia can say anything as long as there is enough people that post the same thing? So would you believe it if wikipedia had said that "in the past 6 months, the world's elephant population decreased by 2/3?" Which actually did happen.

Moreover, perhaps more importantly, I wouldn't argue with The_Manual on something about Interl Processors. He's pretty buddy buddy with the folks at Intel.
I know about wikipeda I was hoping somone could come up with rock solid information and bust this myth that Xeon 3060 and E6600 are the same.
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The first simple difference between the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 and the Intel Xeon 3060 is that the E6600 incorporates 4MB shared Level 2 Cache (Instruction + Data) whereas the Xeon 3060 supports 4MB shared Level 3 Cache (Instruction + Data). ECC is also supported on L3 cache.

As you should be aware L2 cache and L3 cache are different in properties. Level 3 cache itself is slower and has a greater latency wait period than that of Level 2 cache. Due to this fact it is cheaper to manufacture and produce.

Level 3 Cache is often used in Xeon's as it is closer to access in regards to memory.
Processor Store Directive: Level 1 > Level 2 > Level 3 > System RAM > Disk Drive.
Level 3 is next to the system memory within this structure, and therefore can more effectively be accessed if RAM is also brought into the equation.

Second difference is in relation to the socket type (thermal/electric specification).

Core 2 Duo E6600: FC-LGA
Xeon 3060: FC-LGA6

Slightly different

Also be aware that due to this slightly improved socket the bandwidth of the Intel Xeon 3060 is higher than that of the Core 2 Duo E6600.

I will get the technical information out of my manuals when I get home. The reference manuals on the Intel site are not in-depth enough compared to my developer manuals at home.
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Originally Posted by The_Manual View Post
The first simple difference between the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 and the Intel Xeon 3060 is that the E6600 incorporates 4MB shared Level 2 Cache (Instruction + Data) whereas the Xeon 3060 supports 4MB shared Level 3 Cache (Instruction + Data). ECC is also supported on L3 cache.

As you should be aware L2 cache and L3 cache are different in properties. Level 3 cache itself is slower and has a greater latency wait period than that of Level 2 cache. Due to this fact it is cheaper to manufacture and produce.

Level 3 Cache is often used in Xeon's as it is closer to access in regards to memory.
Processor Store Directive: Level 1 > Level 2 > Level 3 > System RAM > Disk Drive.
Level 3 is next to the system memory within this structure, and therefore can more effectively be accessed if RAM is also brought into the equation.

Second difference is in relation to the socket type (thermal/electric specification).

Core 2 Duo E6600: FC-LGA
Xeon 3060: FC-LGA6

Slightly different

Also be aware that due to this slightly improved socket the bandwidth of the Intel Xeon 3060 is higher than that of the Core 2 Duo E6600.

I will get the technical information out of my manuals when I get home. The reference manuals on the Intel site are not in-depth enough compared to my developer manuals at home.
Excuse me if I may, but I own this chip and maybe I can shead some light on the situation.

First of all, the claim that the Xeon 3060 has any L3 cache is absurd. The chip has no L3 cache (Verified in CPU-z (windows) and cat /proc/cpuinfo (linux))

The Xeon DOES do better with number crunching and data, seeing as it is about .5 seconds faster than the e6600 in super pi at similar clock speeds.

The decrese in performance of games is also not noticable. When you have a chip that goes this fast, it is hard to notice a difference in games and only slightly easier to notice a difference in 3dmark.

The basic instruction set is different, just as The_Manual has suggested, but the Xeon still has the higher level instructions of the e6600. (SSE# etc.)

The Xeon is more amazing (in my opinion) because it runs cooler than the e6600 chips on the market.

So, I conclude that these chips are not identical, but the differences between them are small (the Xeon having better differences )
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I'd give The Manual and his vaste Intel knowledge the benefit of the doubt. The software is probably not recognizing the Cache issue of this CPU yet, since it's fairly new. When Core 2 Duo first came out, it was mis-recognized also in many cases.
    
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Yeah, Cpu-z did identify it as an e6600 now that you mention it...

But as far as this chip not overclocking... thats a myth, Mine is goin just fine
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Glad to hear that

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This may shed some light on the situation.

N/A (L2 cache)

http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US

Absurd? I think not

Please be aware that if there is an error within the CPU-Z application itself it will not be corrected by your processor. CPU-Z reads the PID (Processor Identification Number) to determine the chip. However to determine what the processor contains it uses it's own onboard database, not the CPU information itself

You put your Xeon through the CPU test in 3DMark 06 and see if you notice a slight difference between the E6600 and your Xeon there. You will need to run it several times to notice the difference however as, agreed, the difference is not great. Neither is that of the Xeon over the Conroe at number crunching.

The Xeon will run cooler because it is manufactured with slightly better Silicon than that of desktop processors (purity is given priority to server processors).

Time for some applications to be updated I think.

Please be aware that I have dealt with these chips at architectural level, I'm not just some basic computer enthusiast
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Dang.. why can't I rep a mod.

Oh well, then just a thank you

Wise words as always... comfirming my thoughts on this
    
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