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Err, hang about...re-read that statement please and listen to yourself. He's telling the truth, but he just can't prove it...

I'm sorry mate, where I come from, if you're claiming something different than someone else, you have to provide proof before you can be believed.

I'm sorry to sounds so skeptical, i'm just not being naive.
Xeon 3060 WILL PWN ALL C2D 6600 and i quote beastie boys! "And if you dont like it then hey **** you!"
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post #102 of 114
Sorry, I misread it. You have a right to be skeptical, but sometimes you just have to believe someone even if they have no proof (heck, isn't that what all religion is based on?)
    
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post #103 of 114
Will Quad-Core Server CPUs follow? If so, I'd like to see how a Xeon compares to a Kentsfield, and no, I'm not talking about a Dual Socket 771 vs. LGA 775. I hope to see a Quad-Core Xeon that runs on a LGA775 motherboard since a Xeon runs cooler than a Conore.

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They take the best parts of the CPU wafer, label them Xeons, and sell them more expensive. The average-bo-baverage become C2Ds, and the broken/f****ng s****oles become down-syndrome Celerons.
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They take the best parts of the CPU wafer, label them Xeons, and sell them more expensive. The average-bo-baverage become C2Ds, and the broken/f****ng s****oles become down-syndrome Celerons.
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post #106 of 114
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Sorry, I misread it. You have a right to be skeptical, but sometimes you just have to believe someone even if they have no proof (heck, isn't that what all religion is based on?)
Good point, but i'm not religious.

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post #107 of 114
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Again, why the reference to 'other' Xeon's?! My statement about 'more consistent' overclocks was in relation to the only Xeon CPU that we've mentioned specifically in the thread - the X3060.
You specified the term Xeon, in reality that term relates to the entire brand, not to a particular processor based upon this hardware design, and branding. If you specify Xeon, you state the brand, if you state the model, then you get somewhere

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To be quite frank, I don't think Intel would even have got to a paper design of a chip that couldn't address L3 cache properly, let alone actually manufacture one.
You have missed the point here

Let's use an external example here.

nVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX:
The Graphics Card was designed to operate with 1080i HD video in SLI. However, even though it was manufactured to do so it can not comply with its manufacturing. Therefore it has failed its design. However, as this error was determined after large amounts of the cards were distributed the error is unable to be fixed without a partial redesign of the hardware. That would therefore results in a mass product recall that would cost the company a substantial amount of cash.

Intel had a similar type of problem here, however because the problem was detected before shipping, and final manufacturing of the product occurred, they were able to switch manufacture of the Cache to Level 2.

Apparently from what I have heard, Intel Development Labs did not detect the problem during their testing, it was detected when one of their sponsors, using a L3 chip, detected the problem him/herself. This is why the chips were manufactured, as Intel had not ascertained that there was a problem until tester spotted it for themself.

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Right, so you are the only person online to have seen one of these 'early ES' L3 cache based Xeon 3060's, it's on a machine that belong's to 'a company', and having said the only reason you're not able to provide proof is because you don't have a usb drive, you're now saying they wouldn't let you even if you did....Like I said, thin.

You must be able to see the irony in your argument.
I am definitely not the only online person who has seen these chips. I have seen some at Overclockers Australia before, and we may have other members on this forum that have these chips
You may even be able to find one on EBay.

The reason why I am unable to provide proof is partly because I do not own a USB drive, and also because of the Security surrounding this machine. For your information the Company is Novatek, which I am sure you have heard of. Yes it is a big company, and yes there is a huge limitation bestowed upon me to get access to this information.

Strange how people like you seem to believe that everyone in this world must have a USB Pen Drive, and saying you do not own one is a pack of lies. Well I can assure you I do not own one, and suggesting I do is illogical. It may be a poor excuse in your eyes, but I am not a magician, I can not conjure one of these

I believe your next excuse will be "Why don't you purchase one?" My responce would be "I would if I had avaliable funds to purchase one of these devices, regardless of Internal Storage capabilities".

You do not have to believe what you hear of course, I will not tell you to do so, but perhaps if you research deep enough you will realise that some people do have access to information others do not

I do not see any "thin" part of my argument. Especially as the text size is identical throughout

There may not be a huge amount of physical information, I may have to attempt to purchase a chip from somewhere before I can fully access the information I need.
post #108 of 114
as it seems to show here it has the 3060 as having an l3 cache http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US

or here for easier reading and this is just as reference compared to the 7000 series xeons

http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US


this is the 3000 series proc we are takling about right. seems according to intel they have them.
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Well, I dont have any behind the scenes secret manuals.. or relationships with super companies trying to convert VAS, or DEC-Alpha code.. just 150 or so Servers running various ages and grades of Intel and Sun CPU's.

From Sun 200Mhz to P2 and P3 servers, all the way to 4 new servers that arrived this morning sporting Quad Xeon X5355's with 2X4MB Cache

My experience from playing around, isnt that the XEON Chip itself is the issue, but rather the chipsets used is the difference maker.

Whie you may not see a big difference performance wise between a Xeon and a similar appearing Conroe.. try running the Conroe in a P5 Asus Board, and the Xeon in a Serverworks Mobo and then the differences are apparant.

One is optimized to run as a single CPU and run as a stand alone machine, whereas the Serverworks chipset is scaled and build for throughput.

For laughs I put a PCI board into a Dell 2650 Dual Socket Server.. figured with 32GB of ram it would SCREAM!. Not so.. the ram is ECC with parity.. slooooooooooooow.. but safe. The Raid was a RAID5.. slowwwwww But safe. The chipset choked on Windows XP.. all sorts of problems.

But put it up against a Asus board with a Conroe trying to play a SQL 2K5 server, and the Xeon w/ Serverworks makes the conroe looks like a stupid child pretending to be something it isnt.

You won't notice the differences in a Conroe and a Xeon, until you change your viewpoint some. If all you are interested in is Overclocking a chip.. then either will do.. whatever.. if you are interested in the intended job the CPU was built to do? well, now thats a different discussion.

Xeons run Servers, Conroes run games/Home PC's.

You dont overclok a Xeon, for gods sake WHY? You bought it to be reliable, to stay cool under abuse and extreme stress in a zero failure, fully fault tolerant and HA environment.. you dont screw around with those.. Buying a high end Enterprise server, and spending the time and engineering to provide full HA.. is insurance for your job.

I know this sint exactly in the theme of this thread, but I kept asking WHY CLOCK A XEON? Hell I have several Dual Core Xeons from several stages on my desk.. orphans.. all faster than my 6400.. but would I consider taking one home for my PC? HELL NO! It's a server chip! lol. Like Running ECC Ram with parity. you just dont do it.. it's pointless for a desktop.
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that might apply to some of the old xeons but right now the new xeons and the conroes might be just about the same anymore so your ecc ram and stuff might not apply here.

also what about the opterons? those are rumored to be great overclockers for the amd crowd and yet you say if the chip is a good overclocker you shouldn't clock it because it has a label of being a server chip?

names shouldn't matter only performance or what you can do shoudl make the difference. if I found a server only chip that could overclock and make work to play gameso n and did so better then playing the normal desktop chip for a decent price you can bet I would buy it an duse it for that as I could care less that it is a "Server chip"
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