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In addition, I think the high overclockability might simply be marketing. Intel knows very well that AMD's rise began in the enthusiast market, since AMD's CPUs were better suited for gaming and on top of that, many of them overclocked well.

To launch a CPU that not only trumps everything in performance, but on top of that also overclockes like mad will get the attention of the enthusiast market.

Needless to say: it worked.
    
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I read somewhere that only 965 and 975 chipset will support the Xeons. I will see if I can find the link but dont count on it as it was sometime this mornng before the coffee kicked in.

EDIT: I found it and I was completely off the mark. The author stated he only tested on a 975 and 965 mobo. Its towards the middle of the page

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict207592.html
So far with the new Xeons it looks like they've been mostly confirmed to work on 975 chipset MOBOS like Asus P5W DH Deluxe, Intel Bad Axe and Abit AW9Ds. I haven't read about any unusual stuff happening yet. If they work on those without official support than they'll probly work on 965 and 945 MOBOS. I haven't seen a review for a 3000 Xeon on a 945 board though.
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Fascinating thread

Since the new 3000 Xeons have L2 instead of L3 cache, does that make them perform better in home / enthusiast systems? If I'm not mistaken, someone said a few pages back that L3 cache uses up clock cycles and effectively slows the processor down.
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Level 2 Cache is in itself faster and more easily implemented than that of Level 3. However due to the increase in speed over Level 3 cache (even though they operate at core clock - full speed), and the improved latency, it is more expensive to mass produce.

Level 2 cache is slightly faster than that of Level 3.
All cache uses up processor cycles for cache allocation

The more cache you have implemented the more clock cycles must be diverted to cache allocation.
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I am pretty sure Intel made the stock voltage so high because the aggressive motherboard / BIOS programs that throttle the FSB and Vcore.
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Between the L2 cache and the fact that Xeons can be overclocked better than C2Ds, doesn't that makes the 3000 series a contender as an enthusiast chip? I mean, aside from the fact that they are optimized for math operations and not games.

They would at least make for a killer folding rig.
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post #57 of 114
just curious also but isn't that what games are? a lot of math so wouldn't that make a xeon a good chip in that case then?
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As far as I know, games use a lot of floating point operations while other applications use more integers. My guess is Xeons aren't optimized for maximum FPU performance.
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that would make a little more sense. I just keep hearing math and yet fpu and integer both are math aren't they? but I didn't think about that whole difference in math thing
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Now we're waiting for The Manual to wake up...

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