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March 20th review your getting your facts from bud. The 680 didn't release until Mar 22 and all info was preliminary and meant nothing but speculation. You got your facts mixed up with unconfirmable information. No biggie.Thinking that the 7870 can beat a 7970 or 680 is kind of silly if you stop to think about it logically even without any benchmarks.

Now for some benches after the NDA lift.

Notice where the 7870 isn't being shown there is a 7950 bench in it's spot that's better than the 7870 and both the 7970 and 680 is beating it the 7950.

Just benches from a tech site that actually took the time to bench it after NDA lift rather than a story line speculating possible theories and they were dead wrong on.

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Benchmark where the 680's don't even shine is beating the 7870.


- Back onto the topic -

Raising base core clock doesn't raise the over clock potential of the 7970 and nothing repeat NOTHING changes the performance with over clocked 7970 vs over clocked 680 being on par.

IF anything all it will do is come closer to the stock reviews being comparable to the 680 rather than showing the 680 beating it. A lot of people are missing this point thinking that somehow magically the 7970 is going to gain some sort of great margin of performance when both are over clocked.
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Originally Posted by Arizonian View Post

*snip*

He was talking about Compute Performance, with the 680's FP64 is cut down to 1/24, while the 79xx have it @ 1/4 ( I believe )

All of a sudden compute performance is relevant again. rolleyes.gif

Nvidia made a 99.9% GAMING card with their mid-range chip, not a compute beast like the 580 was.

If you're so interested in Compute Performance, wait 'till the 15th, and see what announcement is being made.

I'm also eager to see how AMD's compute performance gets utilized in real world applications, Photoshop CS6 and Premiere CS6 are finally supporting and being optimized for Radeons.

That guy ran 1 test which just so happens to be OpenCL based...
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"I had a quick look at an - unindentified, obviously, for the vendor's protection - GTX680 2GB card in that factory for just half hour. I was shown some 3Dmark 11 and similar benchmark results, but being a compute boffin, I ran my Sandra 2012SP2 benchmark that I carry around on a USB stick to check GPGPU compute performance in floating point, especially double precision."

He doesn't mention what drivers were used, what the test was, etc, but hey, let's take this as gospel. thumb.gif
Edited by 2010rig - 5/7/12 at 12:40am
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Arizonian you spend more time arguing about the 680 here than actually enjoying it don't you? My thoughts are, at max overclocks the 7970 and 680 easily trade blows, and this I say after having purchased both setups. The 7970 wins some games, my setups were 7970CF overclocked and 680sli OC, 1125/1700 on the 7970s and max I can get on the 680s is +120 boost (and both cards boost to different levels, different quality chips apparently). Anyway, the 7970 wins some, 680 wins some, but I can say for a fact that the gap is gone when both are oc'ed to their max. I'm sure you've seen 7970 OC benchmarks vs 680 OC at HardOCP and LR, and various other sites, this is completely subjective but I believe the 7970 to have better OC scaling. Granted, my 680s TDR beyond 120 offset so maybe I didn't get the best overclockers, however, 7970CF oc'ed to 1125 definitely beats the 680 in some games (all crysis games, metro 2033, alan wake, witcher 2, bulletstorm), while they're both about the same in wow / bf3, and the 680 winning skyrim, dirt 3, lost planet 2, and some others. I'm also not too impressed with the 680 reference PCB which has a cheap 4 phase VRM and looks low quality all around, while the 7970 has more OC headroom out of the box (subjective opinion.)

Anyway, this isn't meant to slight the 680 which is an awesome card in every way, and in fact i'm planning on getting a GTX 690 for my second box. But why don't you just don't enjoy your hardware and simmer down? They are both great cards IMO, the 680 is a better buy for sure at stock, however the 7970 with 1100+ OC's are great as well. Go enjoy your hardware FFS.

As far as the topic on hand, i'd like to see AMD pull a rabbit out of their hat (like nvidia did with the GTX 580), 1000 isnt' enough. I would rather see a chip revision rather than a clock speed bump (again, similar to what nV did with the Fermi) But I guess the "stock" performance is getting a upgrade, shrug.
Edited by xoleras - 5/7/12 at 5:34am
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When do these start rolling out? I know it does nothing for the OC but I'd rather have the 1ghz version all the same.
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Good for AMD. Their cards really rock, in my opinion!

but there drivers stink frown.gif

They need better drivers and less micro stuttering! frown.gif
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but there drivers stink frown.gif
They need better drivers and less micro stuttering! frown.gif

You can't prove either point.
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I'd say this bump to 1 Ghz is partially due to AMD seeing the performance of the 670... Heck, the 670 is even giving the 680 a run for its money...
Edited by svthomas - 5/7/12 at 7:48am
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I'd say this bump to 1 Ghz is partially due to AMD seeing the performance of the 670... Heck, the 670 is even giving the 680 a run for its money...
Yes, a factory OC'd version is performing similarly to its bigger brother. Real big achievement there.
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Yes, a factory OC'd version is performing similarly to its bigger brother. Real big achievement there.
I was referring to giving _overclocked_ 680s a run for their money, the thing is overclocking 1350+... drool.gif
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Arizonian you spend more time arguing about the 680 here than actually enjoying it don't you? My thoughts are, at max overclocks the 7970 and 680 easily trade blows, and this I say after having purchased both setups. The 7970 wins some games, my setups were 7970CF overclocked and 680sli OC, 1125/1700 on the 7970s and max I can get on the 680s is +120 boost (and both cards boost to different levels, different quality chips apparently). Anyway, the 7970 wins some, 680 wins some, but I can say for a fact that the gap is gone when both are oc'ed to their max. I'm sure you've seen 7970 OC benchmarks vs 680 OC at HardOCP and LR, and various other sites, this is completely subjective but I believe the 7970 to have better OC scaling. Granted, my 680s TDR beyond 120 offset so maybe I didn't get the best overclockers, however, 7970CF oc'ed to 1125 definitely beats the 680 in some games (all crysis games, metro 2033, alan wake, witcher 2, bulletstorm), while they're both about the same in wow / bf3, and the 680 winning skyrim, dirt 3, lost planet 2, and some others. I'm also not too impressed with the 680 reference PCB which has a cheap 4 phase VRM and looks low quality all around, while the 7970 has more OC headroom out of the box (subjective opinion.)
Anyway, this isn't meant to slight the 680 which is an awesome card in every way, and in fact i'm planning on getting a GTX 690 for my second box. But why don't you just don't enjoy your hardware and simmer down? They are both great cards IMO, the 680 is a better buy for sure at stock, however the 7970 with 1100+ OC's are great as well. Go enjoy your hardware FFS.
As far as the topic on hand, i'd like to see AMD pull a rabbit out of their hat (like nvidia did with the GTX 580), 1000 isnt' enough. I would rather see a chip revision rather than a clock speed bump (again, similar to what nV did with the Fermi) But I guess the "stock" performance is getting a upgrade, shrug.


Not to forget that the HD 7970's wins are all in the most demanding games. Whereas Nvidia's wins in Dirt 3, Skyrim don't mean any real change in game playability given that the HD 7970 OC and GTX 680 OC do 60+ fps at 2560 x 1600 max settings. Whereas in a game like Alan Wake or Metro 2033 which struggle at 1080p maxed out to hit 60 fps there is a significant difference in game playability on HD 7970 OC . The HD 7970 is a true single card beast aimed at maximum performance showing no limitations like the GTX 680 which can be bandwidth constrained even in today's games.

Look at the perf scaling from GTX 580 to GTX 680 which is < 20%. The GTX 580 is in fact faster than HD 6970 in this game. So the performance jump from Fermi to kepler is much lesser than Cayman to Tahiti. When GTX 680 is bandwidth constrained its going to look pretty bad. And we aren't even talking about games in the future.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/18

The point is driven home by the fact that HD 7970 at 1125 Mhz is 66% faster than HD 6970 and 25% faster than GTX 680

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/12

the GTX 680 is a good card but people who think its superior to HD 7970 are just dreaming. biggrin.gif the GTX 680 is more power efficient than HD 7970 but that same power efficiency becomes irrelevant when its performance is held back significantly by bandwidth issues. I can't speak for others but if I were spending USD 500 i would rather spend it on a more future proof card even if I have to cope with a card which consumes more power. smile.gif
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