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Originally Posted by Tslm View Post

They should have been 1GHz from the start. Going from 925MHz -> 1000MHz yields pretty much no difference in temperature on my cards. They do it so easily.

While every single HD 7970 that's been reviewed (yes, every one) is capable of hitting 1GHz, AMD was trying to keep the power consumption in check. Part of the problem with being first is that the process is going to be more immature.
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So, back to the point. Assuming the 7990 is 2 x 7970's, the TDP will be a minimum of 300W but very likely to be 325W-350W unless AMD trim the GPU's, which would in turn, result in a performance loss. The best part about the GTX690 is that it is essentially two complete GTX680's on the one PCB. If AMD need to cut back the 7970's to get a sub 300W TDP, then that will result in performance loss, which means Nvidia wins this time around.

I doubt AMD feels any pressure to restrict the card to 300w, if you look at the same graphs you provided the GTX590 and 6990 are ~330w under load. I expect the 7990 will be very competitive.
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I don't despise it, they can do as they wish.
1) Release 7970 ahead of the competition, and charge $550 for it.
2) Lose the Single GPU crown, and be forced to price it right.
3) Attempt to regain the performance crown by raising the clocks.
4) Profit?

You're forgetting that AMD managed to release the 7970 a full 3 months before Nvidia could get the 680 out (and at pitiful yields no less). At the time of release the only competition for the 7970 was the $500+ GTX 580 which was soundly trounced by the 7970. This idea that the 7970 should have been $450 at launch is ludicrous when you factor in the fact that there was absolutely no competition for it at the top for over 3 months!
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I don't despise it, they can do as they wish.
1) Release 7970 ahead of the competition, and charge $550 for it.
2) Lose the Single GPU crown, and be forced to price it right.
3) Attempt to regain the performance crown by raising the clocks.
4) Profit?
I'm sure AMD is happy that Nvidia didn't drop the GK110 chip. thumb.gif

You come across as if you were mortally offended by capitalism.
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You come across as if you were mortally offended by capitalism.

Then you take me way too seriously. It's Economics 101.

I won't derail this thread, but it's laughable when people say that AMD always provides cheaper products. Fact of the matter is, they always price their products based on their performance.

Competition is good for us, the consumers. Like I said, if it wasn't for Nvidia, you'd still be overpaying for your cards.

Same can be said about Nvidia, look at how much the 690 is.... Let's just leave it at that.
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Re the 7990, I have a feeling theyre taking so long because theyre cherry picking the GPUs that run the coolest using the least power. They've had nearly 6 months to do it now. Combine that with an excellent cooling solution and it'll be close I think.

Or they could just charge $750 and go for that market instead.
Edited by Tslm - 5/3/12 at 10:15pm
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Then you take me way too seriously. It's Economics 101.

I can't help but notice the undertones. That's what we wanted, for Nv to come at AMD strong so it would lower prices. They did, and it did lower prices.
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I don't despise it, they can do as they wish.
1) Release 7970 ahead of the competition, and charge $550 for it.
2) Lose the Single GPU crown, and be forced to price it right.
3) Attempt to regain the performance crown by raising the clocks.
4) Profit?
I'm sure AMD is happy that Nvidia didn't drop the GK110 chip. thumb.gif

I don't think you realize the deal with "Big Kepler".

Besides it being uncertain that it could've actually been ready by now, it's simply not the kind of chip AMD is competing with.

Ever since RV770, AMD has been going with a smaller-die design over a huge-die monster design. NVIDIA stuck with the huge die design until Kepler.

If GK110 drops as a 550mm^2 beast, great. AMD's largest GPU so far IIRC was Cayman at 389mm^2. Tahiti is 365mm^2. If AMD was really that concerned about GK110 they'd upscale Tahiti by 50% or something.
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Really, that's what you think you implied with this?

yes, because thats all these new cards are. most likely the same reference board with higher quality asics and a new 1000mhz base bios clock
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I don't think you realize the deal with "Big Kepler".
Besides it being uncertain that it could've actually been ready by now, it's simply not the kind of chip AMD is competing with.
Ever since RV770, AMD has been going with a smaller-die design over a huge-die monster design. NVIDIA stuck with the huge die design until Kepler.
If GK110 drops as a 550mm^2 beast, great. AMD's largest GPU so far IIRC was Cayman at 389mm^2. Tahiti is 365mm^2. If AMD was really that concerned about GK110 they'd upscale Tahiti by 50% or something.

I didn't see them upscale Cayman to compete with Fermi.

Anyway, didn't mean to derail this. Carry on with the topic at hand. thumb.gif

Any word if these new cards are staying at the same price?
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