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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

I didn't see them upscale Cayman to compete with Fermi.
Anyway, didn't mean to derail this. Carry on with the topic at hand. thumb.gif
Any word if these new cards are staying at the same price?

I highly doubt that AMD will mess with prices....
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I didn't see them upscale Cayman to compete with Fermi.
Anyway, didn't mean to derail this. Carry on with the topic at hand. thumb.gif
Any word if these new cards are staying at the same price?

I think that was his point.

Anyways, I hope it does. I'm actually wondering if it'll replace the 7970... it'd be cool if process maturity allowed that.
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Don't know why they didn't just do that in the first place. Every HD 7970 I have had, reference editions, too, can hit 1155+ MHz Core Clock at stock volts.
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yes, because thats all these new cards are. most likely the same reference board with higher quality asics and a new 1000mhz base bios clock

Er, something like 99% of cards sold hit 1000mhz on stock votls, and a good majority will max overdrive at 1125mhz or so.
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Difference between AMD and Nvidia: AMD doesn't release a card with high stock clocks unless they know there will still be OC headroom. Now, some people call the 25mhz on a GTX 590 with +25mV an overclock... whatever.
 
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I want a 7990 frown.gif, the temptation is high.... I have to wait for next gen!
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Originally Posted by Vengeance47 View Post

With all honesty, the chance of the 7990 beating the GTX690 is pretty slim
The 7970 draws 195W, the GTX690 with its 2 GPU's draws only 270W
Proof;
7970 - http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/8
GTX690 - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-690-review/8
The reason why AMD will struggle to beat the 690 with the 7990 is because of power consumption. Remember, the higher the TDP, the hotter the card will run. Kepler is amazingly power efficient which is what allowed the GTX690 to be such a beast. Whilst the 7970 isn't power hungry either, it still consumes ~22W more than the GTX680. The GTX690 is a miracle card because not only does it essentially perform almost identically to 2 x GTX680, it actually uses around 50-60W LESS power. I don't know what kind of black magic Nvidia were using to allow that to happen, but whatever they did, it was an outstanding result.
So, back to the point. Assuming the 7990 is 2 x 7970's, the TDP will be a minimum of 300W but very likely to be 325W-350W unless AMD trim the GPU's, which would in turn, result in a performance loss. The best part about the GTX690 is that it is essentially two complete GTX680's on the one PCB. If AMD need to cut back the 7970's to get a sub 300W TDP, then that will result in performance loss, which means Nvidia wins this time around.
That is why, to be honest, I don't think AMD will release a 7990. More than likely they'll just wait and release an 8990. Unless they design the 7990, accept its not as fast as the GTX690 but price it far more aggressively (say, $750USD MSRP). Then they will have a winner. But if they want to re-take the performance crown, I highly doubt it. Tahiti XT just isn't efficient enough to compete with Kepler in a dual GPU situation.

People seem to forget that the 5970 and 6990 existed at some point in time rolleyes.gif

The 7970 has a TDP of 230w while the 6970 had a TDP of 250w. The 6990 had a TDP of 375w.
 
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Meh, couldn't they have done that two days ago? I ordered one just then... tongue.gif
 
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I remember seeing a TPU graph showing that on average the 7970 is 6% slower than the GTX 680.
If my math is right that should mean that they're both completely equal right now at stock.
This one?
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I think the 7990 can absolutely give the 690 a run for its money. AMD can go up to a 375W TDP vs the 690's 300W. I think that 75W headroom could make a big difference.
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Its a smaller GPU because they stripped compute from it. Tahiti is as much a compute GPU as it is a gaming GPU, Kepler is just gaming. The fact AMD kept the difference in die sizes to just 65mm^2 is actually pretty good.
Pitcairn is the most efficient GPU this gen, and that belongs to AMD.

Oh absolutely, GPGPU performance of Kepler is nerfed beyond belief.

But its not really a valid argument if we are talking about game benchmarking, which is what 99% of us use to compare one card to the next. The reality is that Nvidia managed to get their planned mid-range card to perform at the same level of the best card their competition has on offer.

I know a lot of people don't like that Nvidia did that. But at the end of the day, if Nvidia released GK110 now as the GTX680 and beat the 7970 by say 30% on average, they would be shooting themselves in the foot. Why would you sell a card that performs the same as a $550 card for a mid-range price tag? You wouldn't. It doesn't make any business sense. What does make business sense however, is what Nvidia are doing, they are holding off their big guns until a time in which AMD has something on offer that competes with it. Atm, from the rumored GK110 performance, it would be fair to say we could see anywhere from a 15%-50% increase over a 680/7970. Now why would you release a card that's lets say 30% faster (for arguments sake) than the competition if you dont have too? Because all that will do is de-value the other cards in the line up, in turn, eating into profits. And they are a business after all and we would love to see the GK110 card as consumers, but ultimately, from a business perspective, Nvidia are playing it smart.
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