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What's different with the $399 iPad 2 is that Apple used it as a vehicle to introduce a new hardware platform, or more specifically, a new SoC.

The 2,1 was WiFi-only, the 2,2 was GSM and the 2,3 was CDMA. The new addition to the family is the iPad 2,4. The 2,4 replaces the original iPad 2,1. It's also only available in a single capacity.

There's no known way to tell whether you're getting an iPad 2,4 vs. the older iPad 2,1 without opening the box. The 2,4 unit I ended up with was made in China, ruling out manufacturing region as a way of telling. The external box looks identical, as does the device itself.
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Very interesting move by Apple that makes a lot of sense to test the 32nm waters for the next iPhone. It's similar to how AMD used the HD4770 to test the 40nm process. The big downside is there is no way to know from the box whether it's an updated 32nm model or the older 45nm model. The iPad 3 definitely could have used this but it just wasn't ready soon enough and would have been very risky if things went wrong. Even now Apple is just testing the waters by selling both 32nm and 45nm iPad 2s along side each other. AnandTech mentions it's very hard to find one of these new models and Apple is also using the new 32nm process test on the Apple TV.
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What's different with the $399 iPad 2 is that Apple used it as a vehicle to introduce a new hardware platform, or more specifically, a new SoC.

The 2,1 was WiFi-only, the 2,2 was GSM and the 2,3 was CDMA. The new addition to the family is the iPad 2,4. The 2,4 replaces the original iPad 2,1. It's also only available in a single capacity.

There's no known way to tell whether you're getting an iPad 2,4 vs. the older iPad 2,1 without opening the box. The 2,4 unit I ended up with was made in China, ruling out manufacturing region as a way of telling. The external box looks identical, as does the device itself.
Source

Very interesting move by Apple that makes a lot of sense to test the 32nm waters for the next iPhone. It's similar to how AMD used the HD4770 to test the 40nm process. The big downside is there is no way to know from the box whether it's an updated 32nm model or the older 45nm model. The iPad 3 definitely could have used this but it just wasn't ready soon enough and would have been very risky if things went wrong. Even now Apple is just testing the waters by selling both 32nm and 45nm iPad 2s along side each other. AnandTech mentions it's very hard to find one of these new models and Apple is also using the new 32nm process test on the Apple TV.
I wonder if you'd fair getting one of the newer models if you ordered from the online store? I think we'll see a quad-core Cortex A9 at 32nm in the iPhone 5. (I'd much prefer Cortex A15, but I'm not sure it'll be ready.)
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I wonder if you'd fair getting one of the newer models if you ordered from the online store? I think we'll see a quad-core Cortex A9 at 32nm in the iPhone 5. (I'd much prefer Cortex A15, but I'm not sure it'll be ready.)

I'm not sure the iPhone will need something as powerful as the A15 just yet. The 4S isn't even being used to its fullest yet, not even close. It'd be nice to finally get 1GB of RAM for the iPhone, and a larger screen. I don't need a huge screen, but something close to 4" would be nice, and would be small enough to still look "retina" without needing a change in resolution. I know many thing that the iPhone screen size won't change, but let's face it, there isn't a whole lot left for Apple to do to the phone to really draw in a lot of sales without changing things up a bit. There's only a small list of things I can think of that they might improve on the iPhone 5, aside from CPU/GPU performance:

1.) More RAM.
2.) Larger screen.
3.) Higher resolution front-facing camera.
4.) Possibly improve the rear-facing camera, although it's pretty good already, I don't see a huge reason for them to change it for the iPhone 5 unless they really want to make the camera a big focus (pun intended) for the iPhone 5. A larger sensor, or maybe a physical zoom would be great.
5.) 4G LTE is a definite.
6.) 3D screen? Probably not.

None of the above are compelling enough for me to upgrade from my 4S, I'll probably wait it out for the 5S/6, unless they think up some absolutely must-have feature nobody has thought of yet (doubt it).
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I'm not sure the iPhone will need something as powerful as the A15 just yet. The 4S isn't even being used to its fullest yet, not even close. It'd be nice to finally get 1GB of RAM for the iPhone, and a larger screen. I don't need a huge screen, but something close to 4" would be nice, and would be small enough to still look "retina" without needing a change in resolution. I know many thing that the iPhone screen size won't change, but let's face it, there isn't a whole lot left for Apple to do to the phone to really draw in a lot of sales without changing things up a bit. There's only a small list of things I can think of that they might improve on the iPhone 5, aside from CPU/GPU performance:
1.) More RAM.
2.) Larger screen.
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5.) 4G LTE is a definite.
6.) 3D screen? Probably not.
None of the above are compelling enough for me to upgrade from my 4S, I'll probably wait it out for the 5S/6, unless they think up some absolutely must-have feature nobody has thought of yet (doubt it).

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY! no.
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY! no.

It's not like 3D capable phones require that you use 3D. I've never been one to turn down features, so long as I can disable them if I want.
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY! no.

Agreed.

To be honest, I find it hard to speculate what will be the selling point of the iPhone 5. Apple doesn't need to put a ton more power into it because the 4S is powerful enough already and everyone knows it.
I see the point about the screen but that definitely is not an "Apple" thing to do.
More Ram would be nice but Apple has never used Ram as a selling point.
I doubt Apple will be jumping on any new technology either. They never do. 3D is way out.
4G LTE is pretty obviously going to be a feature. The phone will also almost certainly sport a new design.

If there is one thing I would like to see, it is some higher capacity iPhones. Apple has the technology, I'm sure. Why not give us a 128GB iPhone and bump the bottom range up to 64GB. THAT would sell a lot of phones.
    
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Apples game plan:

Make a phone that isn't any "better" than any other phone. Bigger screen and some feature that all other phones already have...

The public's reaction: Apple is revolutionary, they invented adobe flash!!!

Those of us with brains: Go to OCN to discuss the ridiculousness.

???

Profit.
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I'm not sure the iPhone will need something as powerful as the A15 just yet. The 4S isn't even being used to its fullest yet, not even close. It'd be nice to finally get 1GB of RAM for the iPhone, and a larger screen. I don't need a huge screen, but something close to 4" would be nice, and would be small enough to still look "retina" without needing a change in resolution. I know many thing that the iPhone screen size won't change, but let's face it, there isn't a whole lot left for Apple to do to the phone to really draw in a lot of sales without changing things up a bit. There's only a small list of things I can think of that they might improve on the iPhone 5, aside from CPU/GPU performance:
What's not to need though? The Cortex A15 architecture offers more performance and lower power consumption at the same clock speed. Even if they used the A15 but dropped the clock speed so the performance is similar to the 4S, you're looking at even lower power consumption.

I'm not sure what Apple will do about the screen size, but I'm sure all the speculation about them changing the aspect ratio of the display is wrong. The only resolution I see them going to is 1440x960, as it would be exactly the same as 480x320 > 960x640.
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1.) More RAM.
2.) Larger screen.
3.) Higher resolution front-facing camera.
4.) Possibly improve the rear-facing camera, although it's pretty good already, I don't see a huge reason for them to change it for the iPhone 5 unless they really want to make the camera a big focus (pun intended) for the iPhone 5. A larger sensor, or maybe a physical zoom would be great.
5.) 4G LTE is a definite.
6.) 3D screen? Probably not.

None of the above are compelling enough for me to upgrade from my 4S, I'll probably wait it out for the 5S/6, unless they think up some absolutely must-have feature nobody has thought of yet (doubt it).
I'm hoping we'll see a 4 to 4.6 inch 1440x960 IPS display, and a quad-core Cortex A9 processor in the A6 as well as either higher clocked dual-core graphics, or lower clocked quad-core graphics which combined with the power savings from a 32nm die shrink plus Samsung's High-K & Metal Gate LP process as well as a larger battery and chassis will result in similar if not better battery life (in general use) and an acceptable level of heat.
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY! no.

If Apple made 3D, it wouldn't be the same crappy version you get with the 3DS but a great version. They'd push to make sure it's great.
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I'm hoping we'll see a 4 to 4.6 inch 1440x960 IPS display, and a quad-core Cortex A9 processor in the A6 as well as either higher clocked dual-core graphics, or lower clocked quad-core graphics which combined with the power savings from a 32nm die shrink plus Samsung's High-K & Metal Gate LP process as well as a larger battery and chassis will result in similar if not better battery life (in general use) and an acceptable level of heat.

1440x960 would be pretty insane to have on even a 4.6 inch screen. It's sad that they would probably have to go that high just to properly scale all apps without distortion, when they could go with a lower DPI otherwise.
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