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That voltage is fine, I had one of my chips running at 1.45V at one stage lol
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Sorry to thread jack, I was planning to sell my 2600k and mobo, to jump onto intels 3rd gen, but after reading this I think I will just keep my 2600k. I can do 5Ghz @1.40v (which I thought it was bad) but according to you guys that is very good? I never had time to fine tune it, this was just a quick overclock following a guide in hardforums. Maybe I should try lowering voltage to see how low can I go in voltage to get a stable 5Ghz. Now, another question, is 1.40v safe for daily use? just gaming a few hours a day, nothing else.
edit: 4.16v according to CPU-Z 2314680.png

That is actually really good! My 2700K is at 1.47v at 5.0GHz at 72C and it runs flat out folding 24/7. What kind of temps are you getting from that? According to Intel, the max safe voltage for any of the SB chips is 1.52v, so as long as you are under that and your temps are under 80C (max) you should be just fine. If I had a chip that would run at 5GHz with 1.416v, I'd have to push it and see what I could squeeze out of it (asuming you kept it cool enough). I could see you getting 5.3 to 5.5GHz out of that thing if you had it under water! I wish I could get my hands on a chip like that!
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Well, if I'm not mistaking, I think that the max temp in one core was around 75c. I'm using an H70 with stock fans. But I'm afraid to degrade the chip, since I cannot afford another one right now, so I went back to stock.biggrin.gif
post #44 of 176
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Well, if I'm not mistaking, I think that the max temp in one core was around 75c. I'm using an H70 with stock fans. But I'm afraid to degrade the chip, since I cannot afford another one right now, so I went back to stock.biggrin.gif

It pains me when people say they are afraid to degrade a chip because they cannot afford one right now. No offense, to each his own, I understand. But really, we are talking about hardware that will last, under normal use for at least 10 years (one of my rigs is that old, sure its good for nothing, but it runs my HFM without stealing any resources from any of my other folding rigs). So if you degrade the chip by, lets go extreme, 1/2, you MIGHT wear it out in 5 years.

Lets face it, most people, and if you are on this forum it is probably more true than the rest of the world, will upgrade to a new computer, or at least new components, in less time than that. And that is extreme! Even pushing my chips as hard as I do (OC as high as I can get them while maintaining save volts and temps, folding 24/7) I will be amazed if they don't last 5 years or more. Now I am in a different postion, I have 7 rigs running, if one goes down, I'll just move everything to another until I can buy replacement parts, and I can usually afford to build at least one new system a year, so the financials aren't as big of a concern for me, but still...

To say you are going to run your CPU at stock and not OC because you don't want to degrade it is like buying a new car, parking it in the garage because you don't want to put miles on it, its just nuts!

Now I'm not saying that we should all push our chips like I do, I do it strickly because of folding (and I like getting extra speed for free, be it from a computer or a car), but at least do a slight OC. I mean, you joined OCN: OverClock.Net...

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to flame you, I'm really not, I just get bothered by those who OC then roll back to stock only for fear of degrading a chip. Does degradation happen, yes, proven fact, is it as big of a deal as people make it out to be? Only if you are pushing for max OCs for compitition. A moderate OC for daily use is rarely going to cause any noticeable degradation.

I'm sorry, this is JMHO.
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post #45 of 176
I understand where you coming from. I'm still running an old Pentium 4 2.4Ghz at 3Ghz for the last mmmmm 6-7 years. But lets not compare build quality then and now. The only reason that I went back to stock is because I don't really need an OC for gaming as my games are running just fine at stock speeds (maybe turbo boost makes a difference idk). But until I can build a custom water loop I think its staying stock. Sorry for your pain man thumb.gif
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I totally get what your saying WounderMutt, However with the speeds of CPU's like the i5 2500k, Most people don't need to overclock, with the exception of a few who will actually notice the speed boost (Media encoder's, folder's and stuff). A stock i5 2500k (or even a 955BE) is a pretty competent CPU at stock level's. Sometime's I think people forget about "adequate performance" and start only looking at the "pretty numbers" so to speak.. and I'm guilty lulz.
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I understand where you coming from. I'm still running an old Pentium 4 2.4Ghz at 3Ghz for the last mmmmm 6-7 years. But lets not compare build quality then and now. The only reason that I went back to stock is because I don't really need an OC for gaming as my games are running just fine at stock speeds (maybe turbo boost makes a difference idk). But until I can build a custom water loop I think its staying stock. Sorry for your pain man thumb.gif
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I totally get what your saying WounderMutt, However with the speeds of CPU's like the i5 2500k, Most people don't need to overclock, with the exception of a few who will actually notice the speed boost (Media encoder's, folder's and stuff). A stock i5 2500k (or even a 955BE) is a pretty competent CPU at stock level's. Sometime's I think people forget about "adequate performance" and start only looking at the "pretty numbers" so to speak.. and I'm guilty lulz.

Yeah, sorry about the tirade, it was displaced anger...but to the point, I understand where both of you are coming from, and yes, Khaotic, the 2500k is a very competent CPU stock, I will never disagree with this. Frankly, you are both correct, for normal everyday use (MS Office stuff, web browsing, gaming) there is no need whatsoever to OC a 2500k, they are amazingly quick right out of the box. Heck, when I bought mine it was my first new desktop in 6 years (yep, a P4 3.0GHz with HT!) and when I first started it up I was blown away! It is a beautiful chip, no argument at all. So I do understand running it stock, that is not, and never will be my argument.

Just don't state you are running stock to avoid degradation. Just come out and say it, "hey all I do on this rig is game (web browse, whatever) and I don't need a chip eating up power running at 4.5Ghz, so I knocked it back down to stock. I OCed it, saw what it could do and then dialed it back down." I get this, trust me, I understand, but just don't blame it on degradation, it makes people think this is a worse problem than it really is.

There are enough people (I was one myself) who are afraid to OC their chips because people will tell them "Oh, don't do it, it will kill your chip" and the fact of the matter is, as long as you take your time and you're not a monkey trying to do 1.9v and a 6.3GHz OC with the stock cooler [read the exaggeration], OCing is safe, fun and, when done right, a great way to get free power and speed out of your chip.

That's all I ask, don't propagate a fear that is, for all intents and purposes, unneeded. It scares people away from what we do here on OCN, which is help people get the most they can (for what they do) out of their machines.

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post #48 of 176
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But for heavy overclocking you want as little heat as possible for the most headroom. Ivy doesn't do that very well.

Where are people getting this idea? My IB 3770k is at 4.5 with a VCore of 1.22 and I haven't even touched the PLL and the load temps are mid 70's. Ivy overclocks just fine. People are afraid when they see temps in the mid 80s, but IB can handle that. It has a max temp of 105.
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Yea, and the 2500K can go to 4.5ghz on a Hyper 212+ and still only see the mid 40's at load. That is a massive improvement in heat.
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I run my 3770k at 4.5 ghz on AIR with temps in the 60's under extended gaming sessions, this is not hot as far as I'm concerned. I think that a lot of people are blowing the temps out of proportion on these chips and not looking at the benefits. PCI E 3.0, faster memory controller on die supporting higher memory speeds and producing greater bandwidth, less power consumption, higher multipliers, better HD graphics which allow you to use the lucidlogic software and onboard graphics to increase FPS in games, and 2x the Quicksync processing speed if you are doing any ripping of movies (transcoding).

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