Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel - General › If cost is not an issue...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

If cost is not an issue...

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I'm going to be doing a brand new build here in the next several months. Price isn't a huge issue, but i don't want to overspend if it's not worth it.

I just wanted to get some opinions on i5 vs i7, Sandy vs. Ivy, etc. Currently i have an old E6750 Core2Duo overclocked to 3.8ghz. I'm open minded to overclocking on a new chip, but if i don't have to, that'd be easier for me since i prefer longevity.

To give you an idea of what i use it for, I play WoW and Diablo III, and run iTunes, and several other programs at all times. (nothing too demanding) I'd really just like to build a machine that can run these smooth as butter and possibly take on more of a challenge if i find something more interesting to do. (games like Battlefield III, Crysis II, etc)

I'm kind of lost as to whether i should go with a 2500K, 2600K, or the new Ivy Bridge versions. I do want the "K" model, so i can overclock down the road if i want to.

I seem to hear that the 2600K isnt any better than the 2500K for gaming, but i don't really understand why. (I guess games like WoW don't utilize the hyperthreading or extra cores or something?)

Obviously i don't need the on-chip GPU functions. (not sure how that factors in)

Are the new Ivy Bridge processors not overclocking well? I have heard they have heat issues? I assume this is only an issue if overclocking, and that the Ivy Bridge processors perform well at stock speeds? I have a decent aftermarket air cooler.

Obviously GPU and motherboard are other big issues, but i'm just trying to figure out what i want to do in the CPU department before i go forward with that.

Any comments, tips, opinions, or advice will be greatly appreciated.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 23
Go with Ivy. There is little reason to go with Sandy if you are still on LGA775. A moderate of 4.4 to 4.5 GHz of overclock is sufficient for most gamers. Looks like you will be doing quite some multi-tasking, it that case it may be worth it to get i7-3770K.

Though best bang per buck wise is i5-3570K. Pair that up with a good motherboard such as Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H and you are good to go.

Ivy heat issue is mostly a problem when you push beyond 4.5 GHz.
Misaka
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570K ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB Samsung DDR3 16 GB (30 nm) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128 GB WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Lite-on DVD Burner Thermalright Venomous X 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Professional x64 (Host) Crunchbang Linux x64 (Guest) HP 2311x HP PS/2 Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 450 W Rosewill Challenger Logitech M570 ASUS Xonar D1 
Other
Hauppauge HVR-1250 
  hide details  
Reply
Misaka
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570K ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB Samsung DDR3 16 GB (30 nm) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128 GB WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Lite-on DVD Burner Thermalright Venomous X 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Professional x64 (Host) Crunchbang Linux x64 (Guest) HP 2311x HP PS/2 Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 450 W Rosewill Challenger Logitech M570 ASUS Xonar D1 
Other
Hauppauge HVR-1250 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 23
I would say for your build an i5 2500k or 3570k would be the best choice if you don't want to throw money away.

This is because hyperthreading does NOTHING for games.

Clock for clock the ivy bridge cpu is faster than the sandy bridge by about 5-7%. And about the heat issue, that is only if you are going for crazy high overclocks. Both will clock to 4.5ghz without any problems.

Go with the 3570k imo.
SB goodness
(14 items)
 
Core 2 duo
(9 items)
 
folder
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500k @ 4.6ghz,1.47v 24/7 GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 $200 EVGA GTX 970 SSC @ 1505mhz 16gb 2400 SuperSC DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
960gb Sandisk Ultra II Corsair H100i v2 Windows 7 64-bit SeaSonic X650 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Obsidian Series® 750D Airflow Edition Zowie FK 2 Speed by Surface/Steelseries SX/Steelseries 9HD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo E6750 Asus P5n32-e SLI EVGA 8800gt superclocked @ 750/725 gaming/folding 4gb Fatal!ty ddr2 800 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
64gb SSD Stock Win 7 64 bit Corsair CX500 
Case
NZXT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Pentium E6300 MSI G41M4-F GTX 460 2gb A-data ddr2 800 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
150gb raptor Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit Coolmax 520W NZXT 
  hide details  
Reply
SB goodness
(14 items)
 
Core 2 duo
(9 items)
 
folder
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500k @ 4.6ghz,1.47v 24/7 GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 $200 EVGA GTX 970 SSC @ 1505mhz 16gb 2400 SuperSC DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
960gb Sandisk Ultra II Corsair H100i v2 Windows 7 64-bit SeaSonic X650 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Obsidian Series® 750D Airflow Edition Zowie FK 2 Speed by Surface/Steelseries SX/Steelseries 9HD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo E6750 Asus P5n32-e SLI EVGA 8800gt superclocked @ 750/725 gaming/folding 4gb Fatal!ty ddr2 800 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
64gb SSD Stock Win 7 64 bit Corsair CX500 
Case
NZXT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Pentium E6300 MSI G41M4-F GTX 460 2gb A-data ddr2 800 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
150gb raptor Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit Coolmax 520W NZXT 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 23
You are correct, most games don't utilize extra cores, let alone all four. So hyper-threading doesn't make much difference for games.

As for Ivy Bridge, it does run hotter and doesn't usually clock as high as Sandy. However, it's still 10-15% more performance over Sandy. I would personally still get Ivy.
Jane
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 Zotac H55ITX-C-E Sapphire 7850 4GB Corsair XMS 1333Mhz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung F3 1TB Antec 620 Windows 7 Samsung BX2331 23" LED 
PowerCaseAudio
Silverstone 45SF 450W Silverstone SG05 Swan M10 
  hide details  
Reply
Jane
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 Zotac H55ITX-C-E Sapphire 7850 4GB Corsair XMS 1333Mhz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung F3 1TB Antec 620 Windows 7 Samsung BX2331 23" LED 
PowerCaseAudio
Silverstone 45SF 450W Silverstone SG05 Swan M10 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 23
I agree with both posts above. The 3570k will be the best option at the moment. I'm even contemplating moving from my 2500k to it. I won't see a huge increase but hey, I'm a sucker for new technology.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 1700 MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon EVGA GTX 1080ti G.Skill Trident Z 3200 C14 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial 250Gb M.2 Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Noctua NH-U14 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Microsoft Windows 10 LG 27UD69-P Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro L EVGA 750 P2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Design Define S Logitech G900 Razer Destructor II Creative Labs Sound Blaster Z 
Audio
Sennheiser Game One 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 1700 MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon EVGA GTX 1080ti G.Skill Trident Z 3200 C14 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial 250Gb M.2 Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Noctua NH-U14 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Microsoft Windows 10 LG 27UD69-P Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro L EVGA 750 P2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Design Define S Logitech G900 Razer Destructor II Creative Labs Sound Blaster Z 
Audio
Sennheiser Game One 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
Awesome, thanks for the replies.

I was already leaning 3570K, and it seems everyone agrees.

What should i be looking for in terms of motherboards? I know there are different types for the socket. I don't know a whole lot about them.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kegler View Post

Awesome, thanks for the replies.
I was already leaning 3570K, and it seems everyone agrees.
What should i be looking for in terms of motherboards? I know there are different types for the socket. I don't know a whole lot about them.

You are looking at Z77 motherboard. I can recommend two,

Biostar TZ77XE4
Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H

Both have all the essential features you will need.
Misaka
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570K ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB Samsung DDR3 16 GB (30 nm) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128 GB WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Lite-on DVD Burner Thermalright Venomous X 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Professional x64 (Host) Crunchbang Linux x64 (Guest) HP 2311x HP PS/2 Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 450 W Rosewill Challenger Logitech M570 ASUS Xonar D1 
Other
Hauppauge HVR-1250 
  hide details  
Reply
Misaka
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570K ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB Samsung DDR3 16 GB (30 nm) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128 GB WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Lite-on DVD Burner Thermalright Venomous X 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Professional x64 (Host) Crunchbang Linux x64 (Guest) HP 2311x HP PS/2 Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 450 W Rosewill Challenger Logitech M570 ASUS Xonar D1 
Other
Hauppauge HVR-1250 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

You are looking at Z77 motherboard. I can recommend two,
Biostar TZ77XE4
Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H
Both have all the essential features you will need.

Ok, so the z77 is the type of motherboard i want.

As for RAM, should i get 8GB, in the form of two 4GB sticks? That's more than enough correct?

What about RAM speeds?
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kegler View Post

Ok, so the z77 is the type of motherboard i want.
As for RAM, should i get 8GB, in the form of two 4GB sticks? That's more than enough correct?
What about RAM speeds?

That's right. 8 GB in the form of two 4 GB is all you will need.

Samsung DDR3 is what you should be getting (if cost is not an issue), otherwise get a 1600 kit from G.Skill (get one with 1.5 V, not 1.65 V).
Misaka
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570K ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB Samsung DDR3 16 GB (30 nm) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128 GB WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Lite-on DVD Burner Thermalright Venomous X 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Professional x64 (Host) Crunchbang Linux x64 (Guest) HP 2311x HP PS/2 Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 450 W Rosewill Challenger Logitech M570 ASUS Xonar D1 
Other
Hauppauge HVR-1250 
  hide details  
Reply
Misaka
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570K ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB Samsung DDR3 16 GB (30 nm) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128 GB WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Lite-on DVD Burner Thermalright Venomous X 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Professional x64 (Host) Crunchbang Linux x64 (Guest) HP 2311x HP PS/2 Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Rosewill Capstone 450 W Rosewill Challenger Logitech M570 ASUS Xonar D1 
Other
Hauppauge HVR-1250 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

That's right. 8 GB in the form of two 4 GB is all you will need.
Samsung DDR3 is what you should be getting (if cost is not an issue), otherwise get a 1600 kit from G.Skill (get one with 1.5 V, not 1.65 V).

I found some Samsung DDR3 on newegg.com but it was actually cheaper than the other brands. Is there something special about it, or am i not looking at the right thing?

Is the 2133 much better than the 1600? Motherboard won't take 2133?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231468
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3770K ASRock z77 Extreme4 EVGA GTX 970 FTW Edition Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2400 2x8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 128GB SSD PNY 240GB SSD 2 HDDs ASUS 24x DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" LCD Samsung SyncMaster SA300 20" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ideazon Zboard Merc Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 NZXT Switch 810 (White) Razer Death Adder 
AudioAudio
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified Corsair Gaming H2100 Wireless Dolby® 7.1 Gaming... 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel - General
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel - General › If cost is not an issue...