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post #41 of 60
So much retoric...
A server system, server ,thats all I'm going to say, a server that is!
    
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Originally Posted by boredom
This isn't AMD buying time until the release of K8L (Kentsfield isn't even released yet), this is AMD looking into the future. Once K8L is released you can throw 2 K8L chips in there making it a total of 8 CPU cores, 4 PCI-E slots and, I'd imagine, 8 DDR2 RAM slots. An absolute monster.

There is a slide floating around showing an 4x4 based board (possibly ASUS) and it looks pretty nice. It wasn't as cluttered as I though it would be, just thought I might add that =D

but you have to think by then intel will probebly be doing this and will have octal core 45 nm by then i think its just buying time i do think k8l will definatly be able to keep up whith intel though
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As always, we'll wait and see.

Obviously, based on server technology. But probably working with regular RAM.

Might be fast, but not sure... complex technology always comes with higher risks of failure

And mostly, I still don't see any overclockability.
    
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that would be a thing to be nervouse about chozart is right how will this oc well that is ALLOT of heat and voltages and whatnot
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Another problem is that, depending on socket placement, one CPU will be in the thermal shadow* of the other, thus running hotter and limiting overclockability.



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Without bashing AMD (which is difficult to do), this is why I think Intel will still be in the lead:

1) Quad-Core, not 2x dual core, thus less heat and less power consumption
2) Core Microarchitecture, beats K8 hands down
3) Less cost, more compatibility

I disagree with Jori, where I think that 4x4 is more for die-hard AMD enthusiasts, and not servers, since clovertown already can be put in a 8-core arrangement, and cheap servers could more easily be made by using s940/sF opterons or core-based xeons, which run cooler, and emit less heat.
 
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The standard Windows licence allows for as many cores as you like under one IHS. As soon as you add a second physical CPU, you have to buy a different licence from MS, which will add cost to the dual CPU, multi-core AMD system, that won't be present with the single CPU multi-core Intel system. I don't know how much more it'll be for a 2 CPU licence for Windows, but the extra cost might hurt AMDs chances of competing with Intel in the multi-core market, with this particular set-up anyway.

I think that this set-up must be primarily targeted at the server/workstation market,
not mainstream or even enthusiast market, although some enthusiasts might buy it.

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post #48 of 60
While it's true that there will be twice the heat and energy consumption, it's really not that different from Kentsfield IMO since Kentsfield is made of two physical dies, but just under one roof and 4x4 is two physical dies. At least 4x4 gets the benefit of Hypertransort to communicate with each other rather than the FSB for Kentsfield. That data communication between each of the separated dies for 4x4 might actually be faster than the sandwiched together dies of Kentsfield.

While architecturally C2D is leading, 4x4 will prove to be a better platform. Once AMD has the architecture to compete with C2D, this platform will prove itself. One can also argue that Intel can develop this type of platform with a high-speed interconnect, but we've been promised that for a long time now.....
    
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Originally Posted by Cheetos316
While it's true that there will be twice the heat and energy consumption, it's really not that different from Kentsfield IMO since Kentsfield is made of two physical dies, but just under one roof and 4x4 is two physical dies. At least 4x4 gets the benefit of Hypertransort to communicate with each other rather than the FSB for Kentsfield. That data communication between each of the separated dies for 4x4 might actually be faster than the sandwiched together dies of Kentsfield.

While architecturally C2D is leading, 4x4 will prove to be a better platform. Once AMD has the architecture to compete with C2D, this platform will prove itself. One can also argue that Intel can develop this type of platform with a high-speed interconnect, but we've been promised that for a long time now.....
Why spend boatloads of money fixing something that isnt broken? Intel already does have a high-speed interconnect, the FSB. Test after test has shown that the FSB bandwidth has yet to be saturated, even with quad core. I honestly dont see what all the hype is about Hypertransport, it costs more to implement with no performance gain over Intel's FSB implementation. Theres nothing wrong with using the FSB to communicate between the two cores, as there is plenty of bandwidth to do so.
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Originally Posted by sandiegoskyline
Without bashing AMD (which is difficult to do), this is why I think Intel will still be in the lead:

1) Quad-Core, not 2x dual core, thus less heat and less power consumption
2) Core Microarchitecture, beats K8 hands down
3) Less cost, more compatibility

I disagree with Jori, where I think that 4x4 is more for die-hard AMD enthusiasts, and not servers, since clovertown already can be put in a 8-core arrangement, and cheap servers could more easily be made by using s940/sF opterons or core-based xeons, which run cooler, and emit less heat.
Its meant for both, registered costs alot more than unregistered, and thats comparing say DDR2-667 to DDR2-400, probably in some cases twice as much, plus since it uses Socket F design it has more features than regular 939, 940 and even AM2 processors. That being Direct Connect, and more HT links, and I would think eventually once the ATI purchase gets more settled down, HTX slots for ATI graphics cards.

May be seen as a gimic.. But if this was released with K8L, would you call it a gimic to try to stay alive? Or would you call it a smart move? AMD has been thinking since they thought of this to let it lead up to quad core K8L's being put into a 4x4 platform for octo-core's.
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