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post #221 of 343
5/5/12 at 10:55pm
Releasing benchmarks early does not mean you have bias. It means you have a scopp and is common in every form of journalism. Tt and nvidia can have whatever beef they want and does that does not make them biased either as long as its disclosed. The writer in question did everything right.
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post #222 of 343
5/5/12 at 11:06pm
My guess is that these 670's won't release for less than $400-$425. They will undoubtedly sell out immediately and prices will jump up to $450.
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post #223 of 343
5/5/12 at 11:31pm
I now reserve any opinion I have about Nvidia pricing. They really shocked me as well as many others who prior to 680 release was slamming Nvidia for being over priced than the AMD and quoting $600 price range since the 7970 was selling for $570. I think we were all surprised when it released for $499.

If I had to speculate I'd say $400-$420 and higher when non-reference versions start to enter the market. They'll once again set the tone for another AMD price drop I'm guessing and that I'm sure will make AMD fans very happy as the 680 forced AMD's hand being Nvidia made a slightly better gaming card even when OC'd. The 680 might be voltage locked but we have many cards in the 1250 Mhz GPU boost to 1300 Mhz boost range as well. (No voltage boosting required or detailed steps to produce those core clocks either).

Naturally there are those golden cards hitting higher than 1300 Mhz Core but both sides of the camp have those lucky GPU's hitting the silicone lottery. thumb.gif
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post #224 of 343
5/5/12 at 11:55pm
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The size of the card has nothing to do with the performance. The more power circuitry they have to fit on the card, the larger the card. It doesn't work the other way around. This is a wimpy 4 phase card... it doesn't need more than that to power the GPU.
I believe he's aware of that; from how I understood it, he was saying that why would NVIDIA go through the hassle of making a relatively big card when the smaller one performs very close to the same (questioning the business decision behind making the bigger card).
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post #225 of 343
5/5/12 at 11:58pm
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I now reserve any opinion I have about Nvidia pricing. They really shocked me as well as many others who prior to 680 release was slamming Nvidia for being over priced than the AMD and quoting $600 price range since the 7970 was selling for $570. I think we were all surprised when it released for $499.
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Naturally there are those golden cards hitting higher than 1300 Mhz Core but both sides of the camp have those lucky GPU's hitting the silicone lottery. thumb.gif

My thoughts exactly!
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I believe he's aware of that; from how I understood it, he was saying that why would NVIDIA go through the hassle of making a relatively big card when the smaller one performs very close to the same (questioning the business decision behind making the bigger card).

Well, he explained it perfectly. If the thermal envelope of the GPU is low enough you don't need a large polyphase energy supplying circuit with an enormous array of VRMs. My guess is that they included this as a premium on the 680 for overclocking the card. If they can cut costs on the 670, they will do it.

People may disagree on this point with me but from a design perspective, GK104 is pretty much a midrange GPU even though it outperforms all currently released GPUs. You could see the GTX 680 as a beefed up GTX 660Ti with power circuitry to enhance the achievement of higher clock targets, and the GTX 670 is like a standard GTX 660 which does not have this premium. This SKU based on a crippled GK104 was not designed to take the performance crown after all.

The slight performance hit from removing an SMX out of the ASIC may be caused by either inefficient thread scheduling in a full GK104 (logic units in the pipeline aren't saturated with data). Or more obviously is that GK104 is being bottlenecked by it's memory bus since it's not wide enough.

Either way the GTX 470 and GTX 480 did not differ that much in performance either clock for clock while having 1 SM and 1 memory controller disabled (same as a GTX 470 and GTX 570).
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Latest update from the 670 owner...
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+165 in afterburner from a base of 980 for a total of 1145 base / 1224 boosted.

11125 GPU score

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3355178?key=amjBXC3XfWIOgUIW2kecnA

This is with settings from the official Heaven test on these forums.

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post #228 of 343
5/6/12 at 3:45am
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I now reserve any opinion I have about Nvidia pricing. They really shocked me as well as many others who prior to 680 release was slamming Nvidia for being over priced than the AMD and quoting $600 price range since the 7970 was selling for $570. I think we were all surprised when it released for $499.
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Here's the core of it:
If the 670 performs 95-100% as well as a 680, overclocks almost exactly the same, and costs $400, who in their right mind would buy a 680?
No one is that stupid, if the performance of the 670 is almost identical to the 680, the price will be almost identical as well.
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Here's the core of it:
If the 670 performs 95-100% as well as a 680, overclocks almost exactly the same, and costs $400, who in their right mind would buy a 680?
No one is that stupid, if the performance of the 670 is almost identical to the 680, the price will be almost identical as well.

I forget where, but someone earlier today said they saw 670's for €429, 680 for €499.

Similar pricing could follow here in N.A.
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5/6/12 at 4:56am
Mmm... I feel there is something wrong with those numbers.
Almost 1% slower than the GTX 680. That's ridiculous and renders the card completely useless at $500 if it the 670 is priced at $400.
People where complaining about GTX 580 only 15% better than GTX 570. Now Nvidia shocked them with 1% ... lol
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