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XSPC tubing any good? Why can it only handle up to 60C?

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http://www.xs-pc.com/products/watercooling-tubing/12-id-34-od-high-flex-hose/highflex-hose-1912-7mm-2m-black/

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- 1/2″ (13mm) Inner Diameter
- 1/8″ (3mm) Wall Thickness
- 3/4″ (19mm) Outer Diameter
- Stain Resistant
- Max Temperature 60C
- Min Temperature -32C
- Designed for use with 1/2″ barbs



I'm planning on replacing my current clear tubing with this one, but I'm a little hesitant. Why can it only handle temps up to 60C? That makes no sense to me. Loops usually run a lot hotter than that, no?
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While I cant tell you why they designed it to only handle 60 C, but I can tell you that if your loop temp is that high you have more issues than overheating your tubing. I can only assume that 60 C is a very conservative estimate of the tubing's rating, for liability reasons, etc. This tubing will work fine for normal watercooling needs. If you are doing anything extreme you should look elsewhere.

For a bit of theoretical knowledge, in this type of liquid cooling solution, the coolant will be in the middle range of temperatures of all your components. You cpu will be the hottest, followed by the block, coolant, radiator, and ambient air. This is because, physically, there needs to be a temperature gradient for any heat transfer process to occur. So, if your cpu was the same temperature as your coolant it would never transfer any heat and would heat up until a steady state was reached where the amount of heat produced by the cpu was equal to the amount of heat removed by the coolant.

Hope this helped.
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I just hooked my loop up using XSPC tubing and had some bluescreen problems. While scratching my head like a doofus I let it sit at the screen for 5 minutes, completely oblivious that my pump wasn't running and my processor was. Things got hot, and the tubing got pretty soft withing a couple inches of the heatsink ports. I'd say it was around 55C, and I can easily see it slipping off of the fittings above 60.

Moral of the story isn't that 60c is a low temp for tubing, it's that you'll never see 60c unless you screw up or the pump fails.

Your processor may be reading 60-70+, but that's not the temperature of the water coming out of the block. While stress testing an overclock I had my processor up to 60C and the tubing running from the block to the radiator was barely warmer than my skin to the touch.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganf View Post

I just hooked my loop up using XSPC tubing and had some bluescreen problems. While scratching my head like a doofus I let it sit at the screen for 5 minutes, completely oblivious that my pump wasn't running and my processor was. Things got hot, and the tubing got pretty soft withing a couple inches of the heatsink ports. I'd say it was around 55C, and I can easily see it slipping off of the fittings above 60.
Moral of the story isn't that 60c is a low temp for tubing, it's that you'll never see 60c unless you screw up or the pump fails.
Your processor may be reading 60-70+, but that's not the temperature of the water coming out of the block. While stress testing an overclock I had my processor up to 60C and the tubing running from the block to the radiator was barely warmer than my skin to the touch.

This is exactly right. The CPU will pretty much always be a certain temperature higher than the coolant itself. If you were loading under 60C coolant your CPU would be 70-80C or more. Room temperature is around 30C, coolant generally is a few degrees higher than room temp. If it is significantly higher then you have an insufficient radiator to dissipate the heat.
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Quote:
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This is exactly right. The CPU will pretty much always be a certain temperature higher than the coolant itself. If you were loading under 60C coolant your CPU would be 70-80C or more. Room temperature is around 30C, coolant generally is a few degrees higher than room temp. If it is significantly higher then you have an insufficient radiator to dissipate the heat.

I have a hard time believing that even 80C CPU would result in 60C coolant. We got people in Ivy thread running ~95C for 12ish hours on XSPC tubing and no one has said their tubes have melted. The water goes through the block at such a high speed that it doesn't heat up, and it's cooled down well before reaching the block again.

I think it would take 80C+ CPU temps with absolutely no water flow to actually cause the tubes to melt.
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As long as there's enough radiator space in the loop, the water running through it won't even hit 50C with reasonable ambient temps, and especially not 60C.
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You are never going to see 60C coolant unless you have woefully insufficient radiator area or air flow, and are running in very high ambients (~40C).
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

You are never going to see 60C coolant unless you have woefully insufficient radiator area or air flow, and are running in very high ambients (~40C).

Here's the thing, my temps are pretty bad (84C under full load) and my cases airflow sucks in general (Corsair 800D). Should I worry about melting tubing?

Here are the details:

  • i7 920 @ 4.2Ghz, HT ON, 1.29Vcore with LLC on (LLC increases temps by 5C)
  • 360 rad for cpu only
  • fans are set to the lowest speed for low noise (GT-AP 15s running at 800 rpm)


If I continue running the fans at low rpm, will coolant temps reach 60C? Should I buy XSPC tubing in my situation?
Edited by i7monkey - 5/6/12 at 9:40pm
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post #9 of 32
Even with those high temps, it's very unlikely your coolant is anywhere near 60C. What's your ambient at? A typical loop is in the 10C-15C delta range, and even if you were pretty seriously overloaded, 25C would be ridiculously high for a delta. You'd need an ambient of 35C (or 95F) in order to hit 60C coolant on an extremely overloaded loop, which yours doesn't look like.
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post #10 of 32
You will NEVER see a 60C water temperature unless you have no flow. 10C delta from air to water is midrange performance. 30C room temperature is extraordinarily hot IMO (82C!?!?). A more realistic temp is 21-22C which would be about 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Obviously that is no where close to 60C even with a horrible delta of 15.

Conclusion: Don't worry about the 60C unless your pump fails in which case you're going to have a bunch of problems anyway. Also your computer would shut itself off due to your CPU reaching max temps well before the tubing heats to 60.


EDIT: Person above stole mah thunder!
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