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I have been struggling to find a fix for stuttering that I have been experiencing in games and benchmarks. I went through a number of different drivers but none of them helped. Typing "GTX460 stutter" in google brings up a frightening amount of people having stutter problems with their GTX460's so I was hoping to find a fix but I didn't. I wanted to contact MSI to troubleshoot the problem and provide them proof of the stuttering and while recording with fraps it was fixed. It just makes no sense to me.

For an example, 3dmark11's second and third tests both stutter like crazy (the first one is fine for whatever reason), the FPS is very erratic shooting up and then plummeting down but as soon as I hit record with fraps the FPS stabilizes and the stutter is gone. Does anyone know what could be causing this? Google only showed a couple people saying the same thing.

Things that I have tried so far without success:

- Tried an old monitor.
- Disabled all CPU related power saving features in the bios and windows.
- Disabled Hyperthreading.
- Removed sound card and uninstalled its drivers to try using on-board audio.
- Reinstalled windows and along with it chipset/lan/sound card drivers.
- Reinstalled games and benchmarks.
- Tried old and current Nvidia drivers.
- Stress tested the GPU with kombustor and runs of 3dmark11 and vantage.
- Stress tested the CPU/RAM with IBT/OCCT/HCI memtest and prime95 blend at stock optimized defaults and at my 3.5Ghz normal overclock. (all passed)
- Ran DPC latency checker. (nothing over 500 while playing)
- Tried disabling and enabling 64 bit HPET.
- Ran chkdsk and an error check with HDtune on my hard drive.(no errors found with either test)
- Tried testing with Avast! free completely disabled and even tried with MSE instead.
- Replaced SATA cables and tried gigabyte sata ports instead of the normal and better ICH10R sata ports.

Update: Recording with MSI afterburner also stablizes my FPS and completely fixes the stutter just like FRAPS does.

Another example from a couple others having this problem: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/117551-13-stutter-issues-games

Another example:http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?s=8e35532d72ae468925f88cd43ff25985&t=180832

edit: videos showing the second GPU test of 3dmark11:

Without Fraps recording:


With Fraps recording:

Edited by Derp - 5/13/12 at 9:28pm
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Try disabling HT and double check your refresh rate is at the correct Hz.
I use to have this issue with battlefield 3. Recording with fraps would fix the stutter.
Also run vsync and if it stutters when the fps is at 60 then you have a problem whereby the refresh rate might not be set correct, or you might need to try a different monitor, or disable page file spacing.

Edit: oh crap, you have 460's! You must get rid of them man! I had 470's and 480's. They always stuttered no matter what! Recording in fraps also stabilized it. I strongly say to get rid og the 460's. Nvidia 400 series is the worst series of computer hardware ever made in my opinion! At the very least you could try clamping your fps at 60 with an fps limiter and enabling sync at the same time.
Edited by BradleyW - 5/5/12 at 4:09pm
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Try disabling HT and double check your refresh rate is at the correct Hz.
I use to have this issue with battlefield 3. Recording with fraps would fix the stutter.
Also run vsync and if it stutters when the fps is at 60 then you have a problem whereby the refresh rate might not be set correct, or you might need to try a different monitor, or disable page file spacing.
Edit: oh crap, you have 460's! You must get rid of them man! I had 470's and 480's. They always stuttered no matter what! Recording in fraps also stabilized it. I strongly say to get rid og the 460's. Nvidia 400 series is the worst series of computer hardware ever made in my opinion!

HT has been off for years now and the refresh rate shows the correct Hz in the Nvidia driver, personalize > display settings and in my monitor's status window.

EDIT CUZ OF EDITS: I only have a single GTX460. I also hate Vsync, the input lag is just as disgusting as the stuttering but ill give it a shot. Still not a solution....Maybe MSI can RMA my GTX460 and send me an AMD equivalent as a replacement.
Edited by Derp - 5/5/12 at 4:14pm
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Have you tried allowing fraps to dump the recording to another drive? As once i did that all my problems went away. Other then that make sure all your chipset drives for your motherboard is installed. Thanks

They also have a newer version out if you don't have it.


Fraps 3.5.0
Quote:
Changelog


Fraps 3.5.0 - 26th April 2012

- Support for large AVI movie files (above 4 Gigabytes) on NTFS drives
- Added option to split AVIs at 4 Gigabytes for legacy AVI 1.0 support
- Fixed loop recording using large amounts of disk space for short clips
- Fixed benchmark logs not being saved if game was quit before benchmark ended
- Fixed View folder not opening window on some machines

- NEW MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS: CPU with SSE2 required (Pentium 4 & above)
- Windows 2000 is no longer supported (Windows XP & above)



Edit: Misread the OP's post. sorry about that.
Edited by KILLER_K - 5/12/12 at 1:11pm
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Have you tried allowing fraps to dump the recording to another drive? As once i did that all my problems went away. Other then that make sure all your chipset drives for your motherboard is installed. Thanks
They also have a newer version out if you don't have it.
Fraps 3.5.0

This isn't a normal "fraps causes lag or stutter" this is the wthzone where recording with fraps FIXES stutter and actually improves performance.
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Wow I've had no issues with my 460, guess I'm lucky. Is there maybe not something running in the background? Something using the CPU perhaps? Try disabling your page file completely, too.
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Have you tried allowing fraps to dump the recording to another drive? As once i did that all my problems went away. Other then that make sure all your chipset drives for your motherboard is installed. Thanks
They also have a newer version out if you don't have it.
Fraps 3.5.0
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I also used to stutter till I started recording onto A different drive
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+1
I also used to stutter till I started recording onto A different drive

Read the OP properly, his FRAPS is fixing the stuttering, not causing it!!.

OP, im assuming this is a relatively new 460 yes?

Have you done a fresh install of windows to see if that fixes it?

Also all of the obvious things, remove all overclocking, reset the bios to default.
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Read the OP properly, his FRAPS is fixing the stuttering, not causing it!!.
OP, im assuming this is a relatively new 460 yes?
Have you done a fresh install of windows to see if that fixes it?
Also all of the obvious things, remove all overclocking, reset the bios to default.

The GTX460 is about 8 months old but nothing has been happening with it, no artifacts, no crashing, no bluescreen and really low temps. Resetting my CPU and RAM overclock was the first thing I did when I noticed this stuttering but that didn't fix it. I even used afterburner to set the clock speeds to that of a stock GTX460 just in case the cards factory overclock was getting unstable but that wasn't it either.

Reinstalling windows is the only thing that I haven't tried so I might just go ahead and do it. My install disc is so old that all of the windows updates take forever mad.gif.
Edited by Derp - 5/6/12 at 7:34am
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It's capping your fps while recording, no wild fps fluctuations.
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