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post #581 of 1506
5/8/12 at 11:38pm
Amazon has pictures of the Galaxy GTX 670 up. Looks like they are using the stock cooler but their own mini blue pcb. They also moved the dvi ports back up some creating a smaller exhaust vent.

http://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-GeForce-Express-Graphics-67NPH6DV5ZJX/dp/B007Z33SYA
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That short PCB cracks me up everytime.
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5/8/12 at 11:55pm
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That short PCB cracks me up everytime.

Same! It reminds me of a 550ti sort of thing! tongue.gif

EDIT: The short PCB on the Galaxy card someone linked is stupid? I mean why make the card longer then it has to be.. Especially if it's a blower style cooler.. Makes no sense, wouldn't making it smaller generate more sales? (Some cases won't fit that).

As for the MSI Reference card, it looks nice to me. No "cool" stickers and stuff on there, this is why I don't buy reference partially.. As someone mentioned the fake nuts look like crap.

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Now this theory makes some sense, as there's definitely historical precedence for something similar (i.e. the Gx1x4 chips being used at the x60 card tier ... see the 460/560 in Fermi). However, that's really not 'why' we see so little difference. The 'why' is simply that the two cards are identical aside from 14% more CUDA cores on the GTX680. All the previous 2nd tier cards had gimped memory subsystems (less ROP's, less bus width, less vram) as well as fewer cores.
If anything, the 'why' ... is that nV has copied AMD's strategy for the 2nd tier card ... one that AMD have used for all three DX11 card generations (5850/6950/7950). In all cases, the 2nd tier card is the same architecturally as it's big brother, aside from a disabled cluster.
I think it's fairly obvious that unfortunately nV weren't able to get GK100 (which would've been our 670/680 chip in this first Kepler generation) working in time, and they discovered that the GK104 at high enough clocks was sufficient to challenge AMD 79xx-series anyways, so they converted GK104 to the top-tier chip. That much is pretty much 'known' at this point, actually.
But the espoused notion (elsewhere on the thread) here that 'GK110 was supposed to be the 680 and GK104 was supposed to be the 670' makes no sense to me as a theory.
GK110 should be the next generation top-end chip, i.e. GTX770/780 (just as GF110 was the 2nd gen i.e. 570/580 in Fermi). However I'd not be surprised if it wasn't out as Tesla product first thumb.gif

Yes, I agree with you on the Tesla product theory. I do think that nVidia are copying AMD's idea here (not gimping the memory) on the lower models. (It would indeed making drivers easier I bet) - To not have to account for all different sorts of memory limitations.

As for the GK110, from what I've read it was ready and almost complete. But nVidia compared their GK104 to the 7970 and such. So they just released it as a GTX680 now so AMD didn't hold the market for too long. They'll have more sales this way, and also that the GK104 would have been cheaper to produce. Which means bigger profit gains on each PCB sold (for the companies at least).

GK110 is going to be amazing, I wouldn't be surprised if we got it before the next gen of cards. If nVidia made a GTX685 (like the old 2xx series) which wasn't GTX560, 560Ti, 570, 580. But GTX260, GTX275, GTX280, GTX285, GTX295. I'm just speculating here, we may see a GTX780 launched before AMD's next flagship and nVidia may be making their money here.

All in all, I do think that nVidia have "working" GK110's under NDA that could have been sold, but they've just made less work for themselves by marketing a 660ti as a GTX680, which also means more profits for everyone except the end user.
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5/9/12 at 12:21am
Regarding this short PCB issue, I have a theory.

According to this article, it probably has something to do with the design of the PCB.
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Getting back to GK104, the newly reorganized NVIDIA board team went on to build the GTX 680 first. Then, they followed up with Gemini (GTX 690) and the lessons learned on building the Gemini PCB were used on GTX 670. It is not excluded that you are even going to see a GTX 680 board using the PCB from the upcoming GTX 670, since it improved two steps. Seeing a GTX 680 4GB using a PCB that is smaller than GeForce GTX 550 and Radeon HD 7650 was considered impossible, but the new engineering cadence at the green company is executing on target.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/how-the-geforce-gtx-690-is-a-prime-example-of-nvidia-reshaped-/15786.html

My theory is:-
A full length PCB was originally designed for the GK110 while a short length PCB for the GK104. Then, it turns out that the GK104 core is so strong in performance that it can be named as a flagship card GTX680. But using a short length PCB for a flagship card is just too radical for the general public to accept. So, they put the GK104 into a full length PCB to give birth to the current reference GTX680 2GB.

Then, the GTX690 4GB came out. It is essentially two GK104 cores slapped onto a single PCB. That PCB is not particularly long to house two so slightly castrated GK104 cores. This actually gave a hint that the GK104 was meant for a short length PCB.

Now, GTX670 2GB will come out with a short reference PCB. It just looks like taking a scissor to cut a GTX690 into halves and you will have two GTX670s.

As the above article says, it is possible that non reference GTX680s will come out in this short PCB length in the future.

Finally, regarding GK110, I think its release time as a gaming card for the general public will be a little odd. I totally agree that it will first come out as a Tesla card which will be announced by Huang on the 15th. As a gaming card, a GK110 might compete with HD8xxx series but that role was planned to be taken by Maxwell sometime in 2013. So, this is going to be interesting.
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5/9/12 at 12:33am
Hmm. Wonder if they plan on doing a >2gb version of these.

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5/9/12 at 12:52am
Got my gigabyte windforce 670 today, will put some benches up a bit later.. Also for those worried about the blue PCB of the GB card it looks like the evga 680 backplate will fit, so I ordered one today and will try it out. But from what I can see the PCB is exactly the same as the 680 and all the screw holes are the same.
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Summary up until this post:
OP paid $525 AUD for the 670.
Running 3D Mark11 in "centered' significantly decreases your graphics score compared to "stretched" mode.
Both 670s seen and tested here do not have a reference PCB. (both purchased the same GIGABYTE card)
Proof provided by Oridin:
http://cdn.overclock.net/c/c2/c2734579_IMG_20120507_140919.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/e/e3/e3588a05_IMG_20120507_140910.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/e/e1/e12776bc_IMG_20120507_140904.jpeg
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* 550W (or greater) power supply with one 150W 8 pin PCI-E power connector and one 75W 6-pin PCI-E power connector required.
http://cdn.overclock.net/6/6a/6a74a174_asdfmn.jpeg - link provided by OP
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Unigine Engine Heaven Benchmark (Factory OC) - http://cdn.overclock.net/5/52/52e57fa3_capturelop.jpeg
OPs overclock attempt - http://cdn.overclock.net/5/51/51bfdc08_100ld.jpeg
Further OC "11,000 GPU score @ +150 core / +550 memory / 85% fan speed in afterburner." - http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3355043
OP's max OC, stock voltage"+165 in afterburner from a base of 980 for a total of 1145 base / 1224 boosted." http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3355178 and Heaven benchmark - http://cdn.overclock.net/b/bd/bdfb5699_heavenml.jpeg
OP's 2x GTX 670 in SLI configuration (STOCK) 3DMark11 scores and heaven benchmark respectively http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f9/f9a8a340_18131markscore.jpeg and http://cdn.overclock.net/4/44/4430c54e_uniginestocktest.jpeg
OP's 2x GTX 670 in SLI configuration (MAX OC) http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3362774;jsessionid=1ww5suq7uscqq1id6qgoap9k2r , http://cdn.overclock.net/f/fc/fc29c4e2_20027.jpeg , http://cdn.overclock.net/f/fd/fd8aa684_2569.png , http://cdn.overclock.net/e/ec/ec1585e1_uniginesettings.jpeg . ( These tests were ran at 16x/8x )
(no game benchmarks have been given in this thread for the SLI 670 configuration)
Maybe having a shader unit disabled increases its 3mark11 score despite its lower clock speeds in comparison with the 680.
Updating drivers to 301.25 or beta 301.34 doesn't change much. People mentioned waiting for more 'refined' drivers for the 680 to see whether they can unlock its OC potential.
The 670 has 8+6-pin PCIE connections
The 670's voltage is locked, OP states MSI afterburner allows for custom voltage but it reverts to normal after several seconds.
Others suggested the 680 is originally the 670/670ti. More speculation: NVIDIA just named it the 680 to make more money.
GTX 670 card length - "Exactly 276mm long from tip of fan housing to the plate that sits against the case exterior.
10.87 inches"
Wait for the 10th for conclusive results
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http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/4zcs5/
Card pictures of OP's 670:
http://cdn.overclock.net/4/43/43fb5fdf_capturerkk.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/3/3a/3a8b49e5_p1050682u.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/b/b0/b0e6e9b6_p1050686ii.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a2/a253819d_p1050689a.jpeg
Card Pictures of Oridin's 670:
http://cdn.overclock.net/b/b8/b888a783_IMG_20120507_131143.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/e/e0/e034c34f_IMG_20120507_131120.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/7/7a/7a4c040b_IMG_20120507_131133.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/15/155683b0_IMG_20120507_131233.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/8/8c/8c424d0a_IMG_20120507_131249.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/c/c4/c45f2749_IMG_20120507_131322.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/7/71/7145c055_IMG_20120507_131338.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/7/7d/7dfaea93_IMG_20120507_131356.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/3/37/373da0a9_IMG_20120507_131416.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/a/a5/a5550598_IMG_20120507_131436.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/2/26/26471958_IMG_20120507_131442.jpeg
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/12/127efdc3_IMG_20120507_131503.jpeg
All credit goes to OP Martyr82 for sharing with everyone and for putting up with our demands, and Oridin for providing the second 670 for the SLI results!
EDIT: Fixed link and added a couple things since this morning.
Nice summary! thumb.gif
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5/9/12 at 1:56am
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Some pics I took of SLI.

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The Antec 1100 does a good job of disguising the GPUs biggrin.gif

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5/9/12 at 1:56am
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3377808
This was my first out of box 3dmark11 run.. Nowhere near as high as the OP, and nearly identical setups.. I wonder if his SSD has anything to do with it (mine is running IRST not dedicated SSD...) Some of his results also have a 'Graphics Card (Secondary)' tab with the intel HD3000.. Wonder why it is listing that in the results..
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5/9/12 at 2:00am
@Martyr82, I think you need an SLI connector for both of those cards, lol. If you don't use one I believe you're missing out on a bit of the potential SLI performance.
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