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Got reply from Aquatuning as well. They are sending me the O rings shortly.

So I would speculate based on what I have seen in the net, that currently, for some reason the "Bulk" version of the pump is shipping without the additional larger O rings which are needed when you mount the pumps directly to the backside of the res and for some reason the larger O rings are not packed in with the res either. Probably someone just forgot about these, as as far as I understand the pumps and the res are relatively recently released so perhaps an oversight related to the first batch.

Hopefully with the additional O rings the pumps are as quiet as advertised. And fortunately the O rings will arrive just in time for starting assembling my loop. I expect to get the case and part of the loop ready this sunday (the build log to where this res/pump is going can be found at http://www.overclock.net/t/1262095/soliton-dispenser-an-atx-portable-watercooled-case-with-external-9x120mm-rad#post_17354920) and then get my current system fully transferred to the new case next weekend. So plenty of time for these O rings to arrive, assuming it ships sometime this week.
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Another update. The threads on the acrylic bay in one side of each of the pumps gave out in the recent reinstallation. I never force things like this, I understand it's not a car. I got some slightly longer screws to grab some of the thread that was still fresh towards the bottom. With just enough force to get the screw touching the thread as well as overcoming the additional length caused by the new o-rings, the entire flange slowly cracked and broke off. Nothing violent, I didnt even notice why the pump wasn't sealing until I looked closely.

Pretty disappointing so far.

Bought the XSPC Nylon Dual Bay res with the VPP665 to use in the meantime.
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yes, sir. i feel your acrylic pain. total suckage!

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Another update. The threads on the acrylic bay in one side of each of the pumps gave out in the recent reinstallation. I never force things like this, I understand it's not a car. I got some slightly longer screws to grab some of the thread that was still fresh towards the bottom. With just enough force to get the screw touching the thread as well as overcoming the additional length caused by the new o-rings, the entire flange slowly cracked and broke off. Nothing violent, I didnt even notice why the pump wasn't sealing until I looked closely.
Pretty disappointing so far.
Bought the XSPC Nylon Dual Bay res with the VPP665 to use in the meantime.

That does not sound good. Acrylic should not be THAT weak so might have had a some kind of manufacturing defect perhaps. TBH I would prefer if manufactures would use a small brass thread inserts instead of cutting thread directly to acrylic, but that would probably rise cost and these guys care about every cent.

With the back ruined anyway, if they dont RMA it perhaps it would be possible to drill a slightly larger hole in there and insert a small metal tube section into it with M3 screw inside. With some glue it should, in theory, hold as well. Assuming it was only the thread part that broke.

I'm still waiting for my larger O rings to arrive. When they do I'll post some pictures of these as well. I think they should arrive sometime next week if Aquatuning posted them earlier this week. The speed of international shipping wink.gif
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I been testing this (2) small ceramic pumps since yesterday after months of using (2) more powerful Koolance PMP-400 pumps which I think is so overkill for my set up & also very noisy. I also tried using an XSPC X20 200 acrylic pump / reservoir combo (in my search for a much quieter pumps) for about a week but the pump on XSPC X20 is so weak it barely able to move any liquid.

The small ceramic pumps seems to be able to do the job pretty well moving liquids. But it's not what I considered silent (at least from what I read about it). The pumps in series are very noisy. I've used the (2) thicker rubber o rings that comes with the Alphacool bay reservoir that I've used for the pumps. I never have the chance yet to loosen the screws that's holding the pump so hopefully this will solve the problem.

The (2) screws on each pumps are much shorter that the (2) screws that's holding the plexi sealing cap that comes with the reservoir. This is one of the problems that I noticed with this Alphacool set up. If you loosen the screws too much there's just very little of this screws holding the pump on it's thread. Eventually, there's a possibility that the screws will get loose due to pump vibrations with you don't screw it tight.

The small ceramic pumps I think can be modded to have additional 3rd tachometer wire. I think this was first designed to have the 3rd wire in it as there's another small hole where the 3rd tachometer wire comes out in the pump enclosure. I'm tempted to solder a 3rd wire in it but not sure on how to open the pump cover. I might cracked the pump cover so I'll wait for someone to try this first before I'll do this kind of modding.

I think the main problem with this Alphacool set up is not the pump but the reservoir. The reservoir is poorly made. The inlet & outlet ports are too close to the sides of the reservoir though I don't think this is that big of a problem or can be solve as there's really very little space in between each pumps. The pump faceplate is also poorly painted on the back. I tried removing the reservoir faceplate in an attempt to try to paint the back of it but ended up pealing off the paint as the faceplate is not just held with screws but also glued in placed. The Alphacool logo in front of the faceplate is not evenly placed. I tried moving it straight a little bet with my thumb & ended up peeling the logo sticker. This is more of aesthetics problems but if you're into making it look so perfect & neat, this particular reservoir is not for you.

The biggest problems with the reservoir is how they glued the acrylic reservoir in placed as will as the pump volute cut. The acrylic reservoir enclosure are not glued in detail. I saw parts with bubbles in it or even a small gaps. This can be a source of future leaks. I have hard time putting the pump inside the 5.25 inch drive bay of my CM Storm Scout as the back portion of the acrylic cover is glued about 0.1 cm off to the right side hitting the side of the drive bay on a very tight fit.

Improving the pump volute cut & making sure that the impeller doesn't rub against the acrylic reservoir will most probably solve the noise problem. The o ring just doesn't cut it.

Alphacool should look very closely on the quality of built of their product, either aesthetics or performance.

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I couldn't agree more with the thoughts on the reservoir. It's a total piece of junk, which makes me sad to say. Loving my D5 and ST30 so far though.
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Hrmph. By the sound of it this particular res from Alphacool has some glaring quality control issues. Missing O rings for the pumps that are intended for it, pump connection threads breaking off, not properly aligned up assembly and questionable quality decals on front panel. Not to mention having the res to arrive with panels installed "upside down".

I am still waiting for the larger O rings to arrive for assembling mine so cant comment yet on performance, perhaps in a week or so. Overall Alphacool is not a shady quality company ? As far as I understand. And these quality control issues are mostly characteristic to this particular res as their D5 offerings seem to be reasonable quality based on forums ?
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Very interesting thread. I'm in process of spec' ing out some new parts for my loop/new build and this is helpful.
However there was a statement about the Gigabyte cpu fan headers being able to handle 2.5A.
I can assure you that while that may very well be true for some boards, it's certainly not true for all. For example I contacted Gigabyte specifically about the fan headers on my Z77X-UD5H board and was told 1A max. While that seems pretty safe to me for handling 2 120mm fans in most cases, overdriving the fan headers can and will blow the header and Gigabyte recommends to not use multiple fans per header.
Taking the safer route, I only use the fan headers for monitoring rpm's and control mine with a fan controller, although I have certainly ran 2 fans off a header before with no problems.

Thanks and good luck with your build!
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id be interested to know if it is possible to solder your own rpm line into the pump smile.gif
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id be interested to know if it is possible to solder your own rpm line into the pump smile.gif

That would be interesting to know indeed, although I personally are a bit reluctant to jump the gun and give it a try as if I end up needing the replacement as a result the shipping takes week or more to my location from places that sell this pump. I'm sure sooner or later someone will give it a try.
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RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Corsair LE 480HB Sythe big shuriken rev B 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Nexxos 280mm radiator DC-LT Alphacool GPX 390M04 Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Significantly modded Jupiter .. something alumi... Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Sythe big shuriken rev B Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Modded Sharkoon VS-3 Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Sapphire 7950 FleX OC XFX 6770 Eyefinity 5 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 64 GB Samsung 750 GB F3 Barracuda 3 TB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Custom loop Windows 7 Pro 64 bit DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Modded Chieftec Smart WH-02B-B-OB Logitech G700s 3M Ergonomic 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Corsair LE 480HB Sythe big shuriken rev B 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Nexxos 280mm radiator DC-LT Alphacool GPX 390M04 Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Significantly modded Jupiter .. something alumi... Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Gigabyte 390X G1 Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64 GB Barracuda 3 TB WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB Sythe big shuriken rev B Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i Modded Sharkoon VS-3 Logitech G700s 
Mouse Pad
3M Ergonomic 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3820 X79-UP4 Sapphire 7950 FleX OC XFX 6770 Eyefinity 5 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
Club3D 7870 Eyefinity 6 64 GB Samsung 750 GB F3 Barracuda 3 TB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD Green 3 TB Crucial M4 256 GB Crucial M4 64 GB Barracuda 4 TB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Custom loop Windows 7 Pro 64 bit DELL U2311H (x3) DELL U2312HM (x2) 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
9.7'' 2048x1536 (x3) IPAD3 retina Asus PB287Q 4K CM Quickfire TK (red) Corsair AX-1200i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Modded Chieftec Smart WH-02B-B-OB Logitech G700s 3M Ergonomic 
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