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Originally Posted by DarkBlade6 View Post

Gamer dont care about GPGPU that was a bad move , imo . Nvidia did the right thing.

No it is not a bad move for AMD, considering their goal is HSA (letting GPU doing FP operation).
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post #42 of 128
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Gamer dont care about GPGPU that was a bad move , imo . Nvidia did the right thing.

Because Gamers is all that matters right.

No, AMD did a good thing there and maybe only in your shrill opinion was it a bad move.
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AMD and Nvidia switched roles with this architecture change.

Fermi with their CUDA cores was excellent with raw GPGPU performance. AMD was not. Fermi had huge die size, VLIW was not. Fermi was expensive, VLIW was not.

Now Kepler is bad at GPGPU, GCN is excellent. AMD GCN GPUs are bigger, Kepler are smaller. Nvidia could price their GPUs lower than AMD, but charge for performance instead.

95% of gamers couldn`t give a rats *** about GPGPU thumb.gif
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AMD and Nvidia switched roles with this architecture change.
Fermi with their CUDA cores was excellent with raw GPGPU performance. AMD was not. Fermi had huge die size, VLIW was not. Fermi was expensive, VLIW was not.
Now Kepler is bad at GPGPU, GCN is excellent. AMD GCN GPUs are bigger, Kepler are smaller. Nvidia could price their GPUs lower than AMD, but charge for performance instead.
95% of gamers couldn`t give a rats *** about GPGPU thumb.gif

That's why Nvidia crippled GPGPU in GK104. It's a marketing move - they don't care about the 5% (or whatever small percentage) of people that GPGPU is important to when it comes to their discrete gaming GPUs. This is because they want to divert those people to Tesla/Quadro. Nvidia has an overwhelming lead in GPGPU-computing anyways as far as market share is concerned, so they didn't need to focus on GPGPU performance with their discrete graphics lineup.

Instead, they care about your average Joe being able to type in some words into Google and running into how well the GTX 600 cards performs in games. That's what matters to them, and that's what sells with these gaming-oriented graphics cards - not GPGPU performance.
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That's why Nvidia crippled GPGPU in GK104. It's a marketing move - they don't care about the 5% (or whatever small percentage) of people that GPGPU is important to when it comes to their discrete gaming GPUs. This is because they want to divert those people to Tesla/Quadro. Nvidia has an overwhelming lead in GPGPU-computing anyways as far as market share is concerned, so they didn't need to focus on GPGPU performance with their discrete graphics lineup.


Instead, they care about your average Joe being able to type in some words into Google and running into how well the GTX 600 cards performs in games. That's what matters to them, and that's what sells with these gaming-oriented graphics cards - not GPGPU performance.

Exactly this. They've realized that too small of the gaming market actually cares about GPGPU performance. Those that care about GPGPU performance likely use Tesla/Quadro cards anyway, which are just cash cows for Nvidia. Sure, some of you might fold and think it's important, but just think of how small of a market segment you are (gamers who fold) compared to the rest of the population who just want to play games.
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Smaller cards are more efficient and better priced. I love the sleaker, leaner nvidia this generation. Don't make a super GPU, make a good one. Very excited.
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hopefully they make tiny blocks for these
I should game.
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wont all that stuff crammed onto a tiny pcb cause more hear build-up? these cards better have one heck of a cooling solution, not a problem for me as i have a haf 932.
 
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post #49 of 128
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I haven't seen cards that small since..... the 8800 days? like, the 8600 GT.
What befuddles me is that this is a card on par or faster than my 580 in a form factor that's half as long. Jeezus.

On par? This card is like 20% faster (at least) than your GTX580 thumb.gif

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Do we have single slot size water block?

We always had.

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(forget about that extra DVI that stands out, as the block needs almost none space at all.

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The 670 has a smaller die size and obviously a cheaper pcb than the 8800gt. It also has much more competition than the 8800gt. There's just no escaping the fact that cards of this gen are overpriced to the moon compared to the last few gens. On both sides.

No, this gen is overpriced due to lower production by TSMC. Once the production is at full steam, there will be more offer and, thus, prices will go down.
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Not to mention that the die size of the 680 is substantially smaller than the HD7970, as it is an only-gaming GPU.
The GTX680 is solely priced on performance. Not on cost. nVIDIA obviously has a large benefit margin with it.

Nothing on this world is priced on cost. You have cost in mind when you design something, but once its produced, you sell it at market prices, whether they are higher or lower than production prices its something that doesn't matter at all.
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That's why Nvidia crippled GPGPU in GK104. It's a marketing move - they don't care about the 5% (or whatever small percentage) of people that GPGPU is important to when it comes to their discrete gaming GPUs. This is because they want to divert those people to Tesla/Quadro. Nvidia has an overwhelming lead in GPGPU-computing anyways as far as market share is concerned, so they didn't need to focus on GPGPU performance with their discrete graphics lineup.
Instead, they care about your average Joe being able to type in some words into Google and running into how well the GTX 600 cards performs in games. That's what matters to them, and that's what sells with these gaming-oriented graphics cards - not GPGPU performance.

No. NVIDIA did no marketing move in here. The Tesla range is growing BIG and Intel will release their MIC not very far from today...which meant that it was time to work on a compute-only product. If you think about it, multi-purpose stuff only works when the things it can do aren't big enough to warrant their own design...but as compute based products are growing very very nicely, it was time for NVIDIA to deliver products designed to meet certain specs. In this case, the Geforce range had no need to be powerful in GPGPU, which allowed them to make an incredibly efficient design and, on the other hand, I'm sure they will deliver a gpgpu designed chip for Tesla that won't be released for Geforce at all.

It makes sense..because with Fermi, the same chip was used for $200 Geforce cards and $2000 Tesla cards, which makes no sense unless one of those areas aren't big enough to warrant their own design...and Tesla deserves their own spot now.

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Exactly this. They've realized that too small of the gaming market actually cares about GPGPU performance. Those that care about GPGPU performance likely use Tesla/Quadro cards anyway, which are just cash cows for Nvidia. Sure, some of you might fold and think it's important, but just think of how small of a market segment you are (gamers who fold) compared to the rest of the population who just want to play games.

Spot on wink.gif
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Something I don't get. With specs so close to a 680, how could the PCB be so darn different ?

Aren't power regulation, memory bus, and heat spreading needs similar solutions as well ?

That's amazing !
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