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Okay? So $60 for a 1TB
$10 odd
Case isn't $40, maybe $20 for a case.
$45? Ok. sure for the GPU.
The PSU I listed is a quality PSU. It's not a quality brand but there are reviews on the PSU and it's very good for cheap budget computers at it's low price of $17 new. That's why I bought it for $11, I usually don't buy junk PSU but after reading a few reviews it couldn't be beat for $11.
That's an extra ~$120 give or take. I still wouldn't pay $250 for it anyways because you can buy NEWER, BETTER, parts at the same price with more performance. (CPU, RAM, Mobo). I'm sure he didn't build this recently though, and if he did that was a bad move on his part considering he can buy SB parts for the same price.
Regardless, I'm sure it's easy to probably sell near his price as a "gaming computer" to the majority of people who look on CL because they lack the knowledge we do. I mean we could probably go out and buy a cheap C2D machine, throw OSX on it, slap it in an apple case and sell it for $1k on CL simply because it's CL and most of those people are just epic fail when it comes to computer knowledge.

I was addressing you based more on this statement
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I could easily build this for less than $300. I built a current low end SB build half new/half used off ebay for $150. Had everything besides a dedicated GPU.
If you can only build this for $300 you are doing something horribly wrong.

In addition, I've never seen a case that you could get shipped from anywhere for 20, even for 30 would be extremely challenging but a possibility if you wanted something really junky. Also, you keep addressing the e7300 as being horrible relative to your G530. I don't think this is the case. Every e7200 i've used has been able to hit at least 3.4 regardless of the mobo and most around 3.6. This should give it better performance than a g530 running at 2.4 if I'm not mistaken. Also there is no way that dynex power supply could handle a gts 250 so thats not a realistic psu to use in a build like this. A gts 250 pulls 32A not while overclocking and most overclock quite well. Overall I don't think your statement is valid at all and anything sub 200 is completely ripping this guy off. People love to throw around numbers with no personal experience in the parts being discussed and its completely misleading, you are better off saying nothing at all.
Edited by MistaDowner - 5/7/12 at 7:55pm
post #32 of 38
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I was addressing you based more on this statement
In addition, I've never seen a case that you could get shipped from anywhere for 20, even for 30 would be extremely challenging but a possibility if you wanted something really junky. Also, you keep addressing the e7300 as being horrible relative to your G530. I don't think this is the case. Every e7200 i've used has been able to hit at least 3.4 regardless of the mobo and most around 3.6. This should give it much better performance than a g530 running at 2.4 if I'm not mistaken. Also there is no way that dynex power supply could handle a gts 250 so thats not a realistic psu to use in a build like this. A gts 250 pulls 32A not while overclocking and most overclock quite well. Overall I don't think your statement is valid at all and anything sub 200 is completely ripping this guy off. People love to throw around numbers with no personal experience in the parts being discussed and its completely misleading, you are better off saying nothing at all.

Regardless, no one with knowledge is going to pay $300 for that, $200 might even be hard. Some random off CL, sure.

At 3.4GHz, I'd say they are probably close to being on par, not "much better performance"

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/62?vs=406

^ Here is a G620, (they don't have a G530 on this bench thing), and it wins by a good margin in everything. I think with the e7200 on 3.4 it'd be on par.

Also, there are a decent amount of cases in the $20 - $25 shipped range on Newegg. They might not be the 'best', but they are cases and they suffice.
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post #33 of 38
This is a moot argument, because prices in components stop dropping after a while. You guys are using prices off of auctions and retailers. Auction prices are based entirely on judgement, desire and luck. Retailers can only reduce the price so much before it becomes unprofitable, and often have to raise the price on older hardware when the production slows or stops completely because they must invest more time finding it, and invest more storage space due to an older products extremely slow sales which, if they don't charge adequately for, would cost them money over stocking that same space with a different product with a higher turnover rate.

Simple fact: Neither of these methods judge the actual value of hardware, because they are both subjective to secondary circumstances. If you want to judge the value of hardware, go by performance. If you can't rationally judge performance due to nostalgia or ownership, use something simple like the PPD score of the rig in question in F@H.
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post #34 of 38
In the end, you don't even need to argue about the price because these parts have been used and oc'ed for years (look at the model of that cpu), and might give out any moment. Personally I would buy this for $175 (and make him deliver it) and that's it because the hdd and mobo will be even more to replace considering how often they break.

Used stuff means you have to sell it at a loss, stuff don't usually gain value over time, except for wine and antiques... yumm yumm...
    
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Also, cats....
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post #36 of 38
I agree that CL has a lot of bad prices and low ballers.. But, it's CL.. So what do you expect.

Threw together a quick MC build for comparison.. No dedicated GPU but, includes an OEM version of Windows 7.. And I do think there are a lot of pirated versions or MSDN keys of Win 7 going around CL. I mean who sells an old Dell 8300 with Windows 7 and Office 2010 for $100?? rolleyes.gif

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Thread Starter 
hey Guys thanks for all the advice, so after reading through this thread and talking to my friend hes decided he wants ALL new stuff

so hes got the case picked out

so He needs EVERYTHING keyboard mouse OS Monitor

Budget is $550 (the case is $50 so his budget is acctually $600 -case =$550)

my question is this:

should I do a cheap intel build or go with a Llano build?
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Honestly I would post that question in the intel or AMD section. You'd probably get more answers. thumb.gif
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