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Hacking games like this is easy, not getting banned should be the hard part though. If hacking like this is rampant then DICE should be ashamed, it isn't extremely difficult to spot hackers just based on the packet information they're sending down to the servers, for instance, the number of direction changes, the size of those changes, and how quickly those changes come to a stop, in a small amount of time, is just some of many of the indications of an aim bot. If you were watching a video playback of a match, do you think you could tell if the person playing was using an aim-bot? If you answered yes then the server should also be able to tell.

However, things like knowing enemy positions that are out of range, knowing where players out of range are firing from, knowing what perks they're using, etc., is completely unacceptable and someone at DICE should be promptly fired. If this kind of information was sent down to the client in any game I had been working on I guarantee there would have been hell to pay. It's pure laziness to just send down all kinds of information to the client and let the client figure out what the player should care about. The server should only be sending a client exactly what they'll need to have the information they'll need to simulate the world around them that they should know about.
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20-1? I could do better....I've done 51-9 in Crysis 2, I bet I can do the same in BF3..no hiding, no crouching, just run&gun.

51-9 is closer to 5-1 than 20-1. Still a good ratio though.
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On a small scale, yes. I'm not talking about those iffy ones who just wall, I'm talking about the obvious teleporters, speed hackers and aimbotters.
I'm better off if I and everyone else on the server who was having fun, leave the server. So that way said hacker can keep doing it over and over and over? Sorry but that makes no sense. You can't appease or talk with these people, they just empty the server, then skip to the next full server.
Let me illustrate it for you.
Griefer lives to grief. Ruining server after server all day long. When the server empties, he finds another full server and ruins everyone's time. His objective is everyone. As many people as possible. If you ignore him, fine he just racks up 600 kills and 1 death. If you talk to him calmly, he just calls you a noob and keeps on hacking. If you rage, he just laughs and keeps at it.
I would Grief the griefer. My objective would be 1 person and I would work at making said person's game miserable until he left.
How is that not literally 100% different?! It's PRACTICALLY what an admin does!

I definitely understand what you're saying, but I still don't see how that's anything close to what a admin does. A admin would kick the player out and the problem would be instantly solved for his server. You cheating, to grief the player almost validates in my opinion that it's okay to have hacks so you're able to grief the player who is hacking. If the hacker doesn't leave, what good does this do when you're both killing each other with hacks? You do also realize he can kill your whole team while you kill him right, so he's still having fun, while dying. Heck he could walk away from his computer, make some dinner while all of this is happening, haha.
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On a small scale, yes. I'm not talking about those iffy ones who just wall, I'm talking about the obvious teleporters, speed hackers and aimbotters.

So when someone is not blatantly obvious about his hacking, you won't turn it on? Where is this fine line of you determining if he's cheating? I'm guessing it's if they're blatantly obvious then by the above response.

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Hacking games like this is easy, not getting banned should be the hard part though. If hacking like this is rampant then DICE should be ashamed, it isn't extremely difficult to spot hackers just based on the packet information they're sending down to the servers, for instance, the number of direction changes, the size of those changes, and how quickly those changes come to a stop, in a small amount of time, is just some of many of the indications of an aim bot. If you were watching a video playback of a match, do you think you could tell if the person playing was using an aim-bot? If you answered yes then the server should also be able to tell.
However, things like knowing enemy positions that are out of range, knowing where players out of range are firing from, knowing what perks they're using, etc., is completely unacceptable and someone at DICE should be promptly fired. If this kind of information was sent down to the client in any game I had been working on I guarantee there would have been hell to pay. It's pure laziness to just send down all kinds of information to the client and let the client figure out what the player should care about. The server should only be sending a client exactly what they'll need to have the information they'll need to simulate the world around them that they should know about.
51-9 is closer to 5-1 than 20-1. Still a good ratio though.

The game has no server verification, the game practically runs like p2p in terms of the netcode. No middle man at all, unlike many other multiplayer games.
Edited by dmasteR - 5/7/12 at 10:46pm
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he said 20 kills for every one death, not just 20 kills and dying once.

do you realise you just said the same thing by trying not to?
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...A reasonably good person (250 spm or above)...

Yea, sorry but this 'article' is BS. I wouldn't call someone with 250 spm good .... by any stretch.
Good people can easily get 700+ spm on stupid high point servers without hacks. This is just a disgruntled bad player who wants some attention. So he watched some youtube vids from artificial aiming and pretended to be an insider .... or he actually bought some cheats which would make him even more pathetic.

1/30 or 1/60 is too high IMHO, of course he said "high point server" so I guess those are the 24/7 metro servers.
So if you encounter a lot of hackers then I guess you should start playing on some decent servers ... rolleyes.gif
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Seems like a lovely hack, but I'm against cheating in multiplayer games, so thanks but no freaking way.
I honestly hate it when I die because of someone who used a cheat or a hack against me, so I can't in good concience do the same against other players.
 
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i always say this ingame: there are no hackers here, PB protects us tongue.gif
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i always say this ingame: there are no hackers here, PB protects us tongue.gif

lachen.gif I was able to strip PB completely out of the Battlefield 2 executable. The client doesn't load it, and the server doesn't even recognize its gone. PunkBuster is terrible anti-cheat software.
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lachen.gif I was able to strip PB completely out of the Battlefield 2 executable. The client doesn't load it, and the server doesn't even recognize its gone. PunkBuster is terrible anti-cheat software.

and why did you do this? good sir
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and why did you do this? good sir
I think it's called ethical hacking.

Hacking in order to see or prove some vulnerabilities to a certain system.
 
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I think it's called ethical hacking.
Hacking in order to see or prove some vulnerabilities to a certain system.

to call it ethical hacking he would have had to send a message showing how he removed punkbuster so they could potentialy fix this issue ...


but until i hear otherwise i'll put it in the un-ethical pile
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