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5/8/12 at 9:00am

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regardless of price the GTX 690 is the best card ever made

Not for me, if any card is showing weak in most demanding games, for me its fail, GTX690 lose in all Crysis/Metro 2033 benchmarks vs 7970 crossfire by large margin= bandwidth limited = far from best card ever.

On the other side 7970 in crossfire mostly sux, cause of drivers/stuttering so just skip this gen and no problem, (if your into details like me, that is)

I don't want to spent 1000$ on card which is limited in any way during playing of few demanding games which i want to play with mods/SSAA etc.

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5/8/12 at 9:02am

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Originally Posted by psyside

Not for me, if any card is showing weak in most demanding games, for me its fail, GTX690 lose in all Crysis/Metro 2033 benchmarks vs 7970 crossfire by large margin= bandwidth limited = far from best card ever.
On the other side 7970 in crossfire mostly sux, cause of drivers/stuttering so just skip this gen and no problem, if your into details like me, that is) i don't want to spent 1000$ on card which is limited in any way during playing of few demanding games which i want to play with mods/SSAA etc.

Yeah neither card is exactly a world beater. The 9700pro/8800GTX were world beaters. They beat other cards of their generation and the cards afterward. You can't win half the gaming benchmarks and be the best card ever. It's actually funny that people post this all the time about the 6** series. The 580 was more impressive relative to the competition then the 680 is. With the 580 there was no argument about it's dominance.

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5/8/12 at 9:02am

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Yeah, of course it will perform better, there's a reason they fit more blocks

But from a performance per block standpoint, it will suck compared to the GTX680.
An anaolgy:
If the military were to design a gun that's the most lightweight they can make, they could probably make a gun that you can wear as a ring. But the firepower would render it unusable in real combat.
If they were to design the most powerful gun they could, it could very well blow up the entire planet, but it would have no use in combat because it'd be ginormous and eat a crapton of power (leaving humanity annihilation aside

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I mean, you cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

I don't disagree with that at all... just the blanket statement of "it will suck at gaming" is untrue.

It will provide worse price/performance or performance/wattage for sure though.

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Originally Posted by psyside

Not for me, if any card is showing weak in most demanding games, for me its fail, GTX690 lose in all Crysis/Metro 2033 benchmarks vs 7970 crossfire by large margin= bandwidth limited = far from best card ever.
On the other side 7970 in crossfire mostly sux, cause of drivers/stuttering so just skip this gen and no problem, (if your into details like me, that is)
I don't want to spent 1000$ on card which is limited in any way during playing of few demanding games which i want to play with mods/SSAA etc.

I just want to point out that 7970 cfx is by no means a single gfx card...

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5/8/12 at 9:07am

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I just want to point out that 7970 cfx is by no means a single gfx card...

Neither is the 690.

Yes I know you mean it's ON a single card.

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GPGPU will likely be heavily utilized in next generation games. Ambient Occlusion uses compute for example. To say it's useless is ridiculous. If PC gaming weren't as hamstrung by console development as it is we'd likely be seeing much wider applications of it now.
Also and I feel like I have to mention this in every thread Nvidia and AMD don't release sales numbers for their cards so why don't we stop acting like we have any idea.

I stand corrected actually. I was certain that I saw AMD well ahead on the Steam hardware survery;

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

However it turns out that Nvidia is more popular.

And that is a valid tool given the amount of people who use Steam. Its a very good cross section of the PC gaming community.

Also, if the apparent estimated tech advances are made on the game engine side of things over the next 3-5 years AO maps will be defunct anyway. With the rapid increase in GPU and CPU performance paired with game engines able to ever increase the poly counts after revised builds, AO maps wont be used for much longer I don't think. Especially if the point cloud rendering tech keeps improving. Then we will get rid of polygons all together which will mean no more need for AO maps since we can use real light and depth data due to the added visual fidelity.

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Exacltly, Vengeance. Agreed fully.

Nvidia did the right thing. They now separate desktops, workstations and supercomputers. Gamers couldn`t give a rats ass about GPGPU, now we are heard and get better FPS performance in games instead. AMD went the wrong route, catering for all groups and watching the gaming performance go down and the power consumption and heat go up.

Stop making excuses for AMD, jtom320. GPGPU will never be generally used with games.

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5/8/12 at 9:14am

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And that is a valid tool given the amount of people who use Steam. Its a very good cross section of the PC gaming community.

It's actually a pretty crude survey IMO.

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Exacltly, Vengeance. Agreed fully.

Nvidia did the right thing. They now separate desktops, workstations and supercomputers. Gamers couldn`t give a rats ass about GPGPU, now we are heard and get better FPS performance in games instead. AMD went the wrong route, catering for all groups and watching the gaming performance go down and the power consumption and heat go up.
Stop making excuses for AMD, jtom320. GPGPU will never be generally used with games.

AMD isn't going GPGPU just for kicks. It's part of their HSA master plan. AMD's going a different direction than Nvidia, for good reason.

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Yes, but you were comparing two different generations. Next generation mid-range cards traditionally have been around the performance of prior generation flagships.

Hmmm ?

Aren't we talking about the exact same thing here ?

The midrange, gaming oriented GTX 660, turned into GTX 680 by clocking it higher than the original design, was faster than the previous generation flagship GTX 580 even at the original GTX 660 stock clocks, in the same way the gaming oriented GTX 460 1 GB is faster than the previous generation GTX 285.
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I still really feel like AMD's drivers are holding the 7970 back. I dont think we've seen a performance increase with new drivers on this card yet. I would think that eventually the drivers will mature and we shoukd see at least a modest increase in performance. Of course its driver team is one of Nvidia's biggest strengths...

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