Originally Posted by rdrdrdrd
Originally Posted by DaClownie
lol is right....
I like Linux, but something BIG needs to happen to change a few things.
#1. For a casual user, having to access a terminal AT ALL means NOT user friendly. Setting up packages and installers and crap with commands is an outdated way of doing things. Click, click, click. Double click icon. Yay! My program. That's how it needs to work. Really.
#2. Support. I own an AMD card, like MANY PEOPLE. That means I can't properly get ANYTHING to work in Linux, at all. I installed a Distro probably 9 months ago. I played around with it for a week 3-4 hours, maybe a bit more, a day. Through all this time, I couldn't get Linux to stop duplicating my desktop across both monitors, and simply extend my desktop. Then, BREAKTHROUGH! I got it to extend, except it extended in the wrong direction (monitor 1 and 2 were in wrong spots) and I couldn't get it to reverse without turning back on the duplicating screen again. Kinda silly for a "productivity" operating system.
#3. Entertainment software. This seems to be coming, but it's taking it's sweet time. No way to game. Not a huge issue as that's a vocal minority in that case. Then again, a good portion of Linux users would be the geekier power users who like to game. No statistical evidence of this, just simply my analysis.
This is not to say Linux is bad, it's just... frustrating. So much work for basic functionality. I just don't see what the allure is.
EDIT: For the person that says they only use Linux for the coding assignments, why not just use a Windows based IDE? What is the gain from programming in Linux?
The terminal is neither inefficient nor outdated. When you learn it you can do so much with such little effort you start to go to it for the simple actions.
The support issue is for AMD to solve with their drivers.
Music is there, so is video, the gaming is the only thing that seems to be lacking.
I'm not saying Linux is bad. Far from it, even. Everything is different, and the way things get done is completely seperate. Like I stated, it's more of a productivity OS. It wants you take the horns, program it, set up bash scripts or whatever the hell they are called to perform multiple functions at once. They're typically also faster, less bloat, which is evident in folding from the looks. Just stating my opinion on what it's going to take for it to be "mainstream"
Originally Posted by Rookie1337
Originally Posted by dr/owned
This. I won't touch Linux as a main OS until they add a few things, one of which is installers. You shouldn't need to add repos, download packages, build them, and manually install them only to be like "uh now how do I launch it and where did it install to?" I know my ubuntu virtualbox right now has programs "installed" that I have no clue how to run because they didn't add anything to the menu bar. Want to uninstall them? Oh sorry, they add 15 entries to Synaptic and removing the main one leaves an ass-ton of orphans that requires ANOTHER program to clean up.
The second thing that linux needs to fix is their absurd file system structure. /etc and /bin and / blah blah blah are fine and good if you're coding something in your spare time and you're the only person going to use it. But it doesn't work when other people try to decode what the hell you were thinking and have to play whack-a-mole trying to find where a program's configuration files are.
What the HELL DO YOU NEED INSTALLERS FOR! This isn't windows. Linux =/= Free Windows. Seriously...what is so hard to understand...the package manager does what? MANAGE the packages for you so you don't have to bother with the crap you're complaining about. What the heck did you do? (No...seriously because I hate it when people get wrong impressions about things and need/want help).
Honestly, you should check out Lattyware's Linux challenge and read up on how to do things in the Linux world along with ask for help in the Linux section on here. If people go into it expecting windows like ways of doing things they are missing the point and will get extremely dissapointed. I mean do people go into OSX and expect to run exes(don't judge...I tried to once)?
The terminal bashing and jokes about dealing with code really make it clear who has any idea what their talking about.
Check those out people.
Your high horse, get off it. Elitist attitudes such as this cause flame wars that are completely unnecessary. Other than one dude who said "ubuntu sux, uninstalled in 3 seconds, back to win7" it's been fair and level headed. Let's maintain that.
To touch on your points, I asked what distro would be good to break in with, I spent the almost 30 hours of tweaking and playing and manipulating and reading guides and asking questions, and it was more headache than it was worth. I know a good portion of them stemmed from AMD's drivers for Linux being a steaming pile, but some other things were NOT user friendly.
In order for Linux to truly start leaving a mark in the mainstream there should be NO NEED to follow a tutorial to perform BASIC FUNCTIONS. They should be hard wired in BY DEFAULT, and optioned out for those of you power users that don't want that "bloating" your OS. Mainstream users want cut and dry. Does my 14 year old son want to turn on his XBox360 only to have to run commands and dig through menus to find the "PLAY" button? No. That's why XBox360 is popular. Turn it on, hit start, begin your game.
Next big issue I had which no one anywhere seemed to be able to solve was me booting into Linux, and losing access to all my other hard drives. Then, I had to restart to get access back to them (complete power down and power back up), and this worked for the first 7 days. Then, on the 7th day, I couldn't detect a single other hard drive, even after a restart. I had to pluck the Linux drive OUT OF THE TOWER in order for my Windows install, and all my FAT32 and NTFS drives to even register as existing.
Point being, it's great for what it is, and it's awesome that the movement is there for people to have the choice. The freedom is great, but it doesn't necessarily empower all users to "do what they want". In order for them to do what they want, they need to learn about access levels, and setting up commands, and installers. Most users don't know how to update from IE6, which to them, works great at checking their hotmail and searching the internet with altavista.