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sorry but when i try linux ,i feel like i am going in w98 or w 2000!sorry but no ty!

So you feel that way when you use Android or OSX(regarding the appearance similarities it has with several DEs)? rolleyes.gif
     
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This is REALLY awesome news. Ideally we would want to eliminate ANY OS from being installed on PC's. But I guess id be okay with a free OS . Im sick and tired of paying for windows(as OEM) and then installing a linux flavor! VIVA freedom of choice!
    
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Was too "clunky" for me and didn't flow very good IMO. Trying to find a program that I installed and then wanted to uninstall was not nearly as simple as the 2 clicks it takes in windows. I even googled "how to uninstall a program in ubuntu" and that didn't get me much further. I couldn't even figure out how to get the retarded side bar thing so move down to the bottom of the desktop(if that's even possible). It seems like doing things in linux through the terminal is the most efficient way but I don't have time to learn all the commands when I'd much rather use a GUI. I couldn't stand the close and max/min buttons being on the left side after using windows for so long and couldn't find a way to change it. I'll probably try another flavor eventually but I don't think linux is for me.

Sounds like you're just being captious to me.

Oh well, to each their own. Contrary to what some people might think, Ubuntu is the only Linux-based OS trying to rival Windows; the rest are simply meant for people who are more knowledgeable about computers than the average user. It all boils down to using what works for YOU, unless you happen to have FOSS fanaticism running through your veins (or something like that lol).
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This is REALLY awesome news. Ideally we would want to eliminate ANY OS from being installed on PC's. But I guess id be okay with a free OS . Im sick and tired of paying for windows(as OEM) and then installing a linux flavor! VIVA freedom of choice!

You still pay just as much for systems that don't have Windows pre-installed in most cases tongue.gif
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You still pay just as much for systems that don't have Windows pre-installed in most cases tongue.gif

Doesn't MS subsidizes many OEMs for using Windows? Wasn't that part of their tactic to "extinguish" Linux? They'd help out lowering the cost of computers with Windows so that way those that didn't have it cost more. I mean you won't see that from Sager, XoticPC, and the niche gamer retailers but for companies like Dell, Asus, Acer this is the case I believe.
     
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@Rookie, don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm not some Linux elitist. From a usability standpoint, Arch is much worse than Linux Mint, this is generally accepted as fact. Most people just want an OS that works, maybe something that's a bit customizable. Ubuntu is probably good enough for most people, but mostly it's popular because it's popular. I don't see any aspects of it that are better than Linux Mint, surely not the GUI.
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Sounds like you're just being captious to me.
Oh well, to each their own. Contrary to what some people might think, Ubuntu is the only Linux-based OS trying to rival Windows; the rest are simply meant for people who are more knowledgeable about computers than the average user. It all boils down to using what works for YOU, unless you happen to have FOSS fanaticism running through your veins (or something like that lol).

Last I checked, Ubuntu hasn't been winning any popularity contest since they switched to Unity..

The page hits per day used to be about 4500+ for Ubuntu, maybe 2500-3000 for Mint prior to Ubuntu using Unity, since pretty much forever. http://distrowatch.com/

But yeah, Ubuntu is more popular in an education environment and so on, their end-game is $$$$, whereas Linux Mint is primarily focused on giving it's user base what they want. And not to nitpick, but Ubuntu isn't the only user-friendly OS, if you're not capable of figuring out (Linux Mint, Meego, Jolicloud OS, Google Chrome OS, etc... how are you capable of using Windows?
 
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@Rookie, don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm not some Linux elitist. From a usability standpoint, Arch is much worse than Linux Mint, this is generally accepted as fact. Most people just want an OS that works, maybe something that's a bit customizable. Ubuntu is probably good enough for most people, but mostly it's popular because it's popular. I don't see any aspects of it that are better than Linux Mint, surely not the GUI.
Last I checked, Ubuntu hasn't been winning any popularity contest since they switched to Unity..
The page hits per day used to be about 4500+ for Ubuntu, maybe 2500-3000 for Mint prior to Ubuntu using Unity, since pretty much forever. http://distrowatch.com/
But yeah, Ubuntu is more popular in an education environment and so on, their end-game is $$$$, whereas Linux Mint is primarily focused on giving it's user base what they want. And not to nitpick, but Ubuntu isn't the only user-friendly OS, if you're not capable of figuring out (Linux Mint, Meego, Jolicloud OS, Google Chrome OS, etc... how are you capable of using Windows?

Yeah, I'm not taking it the wrong way but trying to make the whole point about Linux. It's (can be) entirely up to the user how the whole experience turns out and so saying one distro is better than another is really irrelevant as that will always reflect the opinion of the person who is saying it. The whole point is that with Linux people have the ability to fully choose what will work best for them and how much (little) control they want over their system. Mint is not inherrently any better. It's just that it works/fits you better. Like choosing a shirt...a size small isn't "worse" it just won't fit many of us on here. biggrin.gif

Sadly...MeeGo is dead. frown.gif But the thing about people using Windows is that they were forced (through school or work) to use it (at least in the US). If anyone wanted to crush MS all they would have to do is take over the educational market. The younger the better. It's as simple as that. Which is exactly why Apple is pushing for that involvement, even if it is something as small as iTunes being needed for video recorded lectures (like it is at UCF) or for textbooks.
     
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apple os is virtually free (but you pay for the computer)
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AMD's open source driver is actually much better than the NVidia counterpart, but it's a different story for the proprietary ones.
I don't care if the drivers are open or not either, so I prefer NVidia's model. Don't help out at all with the open source drivers, but make decent working closed source ones. AMD should pick up the pace.

I agree, though I still wish Nvidia helped the community more they have made the best choice they can without doing so. Neither model is better IMO, but I expect a fully working driver regardless and Nvidia just delivers. I just see too many AMD fanboys (and I actually want an AMD card) saying it's all crap and Nvidia is just a terrible company that won't source it's drivers like the nice community driven AMD. I look at those people and think "Are you serious? At least my 3D works, and that's all the consumer cares about". AKA I just want working drivers! lol I'm very glad you didn't go that route, cause I think it's asinine.
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Was too "clunky" for me and didn't flow very good IMO. Trying to find a program that I installed and then wanted to uninstall was not nearly as simple as the 2 clicks it takes in windows. I even googled "how to uninstall a program in ubuntu" and that didn't get me much further. I couldn't even figure out how to get the retarded side bar thing so move down to the bottom of the desktop(if that's even possible). It seems like doing things in linux through the terminal is the most efficient way but I don't have time to learn all the commands when I'd much rather use a GUI. I couldn't stand the close and max/min buttons being on the left side after using windows for so long and couldn't find a way to change it. I'll probably try another flavor eventually but I don't think linux is for me.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/ubuntu-software-centre

The sidebar doesn't "move" without an extension. The entire Unity desktop (and gnome-shell) are built off Web 2.0, so you can write extensions with just knowing web programming. I know, you may not be one but that doesn't mean the rest of us can't write extensions and then share them. But if you really don't like that interface...

http://www.kde.org/screenshots/

If that doesn't scream "windows clone" I don't know what the hell does. In fact, they did the whole transparency before windows! You just didn't try, and your ignorance shows.
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Linux wont get mainsteam since it doesn't (and cant get) have DirectX

The PS3 doesn't have directX, same with the Wii from Nintendo. OSX doesn't have DirectX support, so how did it get mainstream? That's just dumb.
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So what is Canonical's point? Try to get people to genuinely hate Linux by throwing Ubuntu on their system? Linux Mint is an infinitely better option, but Linux Mint isn't a corporation.

Mint isn't a better option, honestly without Ubuntu (and/or Debian) you wouldn't have Mint. Ubuntu also has a much bigger crew than Mint, they have the ability to do more work with the OEMs as well as (I assume) the dev support.
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@Rookie, don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm not some Linux elitist. From a usability standpoint, Arch is much worse than Linux Mint, this is generally accepted as fact. Most people just want an OS that works, maybe something that's a bit customizable. Ubuntu is probably good enough for most people, but mostly it's popular because it's popular. I don't see any aspects of it that are better than Linux Mint, surely not the GUI.
Last I checked, Ubuntu hasn't been winning any popularity contest since they switched to Unity..
The page hits per day used to be about 4500+ for Ubuntu, maybe 2500-3000 for Mint prior to Ubuntu using Unity, since pretty much forever. http://distrowatch.com/
But yeah, Ubuntu is more popular in an education environment and so on, their end-game is $$$$, whereas Linux Mint is primarily focused on giving it's user base what they want. And not to nitpick, but Ubuntu isn't the only user-friendly OS, if you're not capable of figuring out (Linux Mint, Meego, Jolicloud OS, Google Chrome OS, etc... how are you capable of using Windows?

Ubuntu doesn't do some of the things Mint does. Mint treads on some copyright boundaries that some might find a little much. Nobody is going to sue them but I'm sure if somebody starts selling systems with Mint installed, somebody is getting sued. Unless Mint changes some of the packages it gets released with, that won't ever change. Ubuntu is a fine system, even better because it has so many "unofficial" spin offs that are basically Ubuntu with different DEs.
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apple os is virtually free (but you pay for the computer)

? In what way is it "free"? Cost? They sell it at 50USD or so. And with a Mac it's not necessary since the profit margins they have on each unit is high enough for them to be giving it away "virtually free" and suffer no losses. We're not commenting on cost as much...we're commenting on freedom. Sure it's nice that it is "free" but hell I would pay for many distros. Why? Because, besides just working...it respects my freedom of choice. I sometimes think people have grown to assume convenience is freedom when it is not; or whether people even care about freedom. If I gave you every little gizmo that I think you wanted but locked you into an 50x50 cell that you couldn't leave would you be free or would you be "convenienced" (sue me grammar Nazis)? That's a big point...MS and Apple are trying to make things "convenient" for you but this is based on their views(just look at Win8/iOS which was rumored to become the new mac OS) and they demand in return more and more of your freedom. It's a trade off and everyone should be/is aware of that. There's nothing wrong with the choice people make in that regard so long as they don't complain about it or that it doesn't remove anyone else's choices. (And damn do I sound crazy. lol)
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