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No, my signature dont update.
I am using a AsRock Fatal1ty Z77 Professional.
Yes, I am also using the same programs as you, just yesterday I also tested the F-Stream, and I saw that had these problems.
Thanks and regards

I'm using that same board and I can run F-Stream without errors. Does the same thing happen if you run at stock speed?
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Samsung's 30nm RAM is insanely good. I just got a set in, it's 1.35v at stock but if you put it to 1.5v you can run it at CL 8 (or lower) quite easily. Or failing that, you can overclock the hell outta it.

Does that same kind of thing come in an 8 GB stick?
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@punceh: Thanks for the tips. I did bump the VTT to 1.065 from 0.975 (can't remember exactly, I used the next value up from the default). Same problem. Any other tips?
EDIT: I'm now testing one stick at a time and surprise: with only one stick in slot B2 it seems to work. Prime95 has been happily munching for the past 20 minutes. I'll test the other 3 slots with this stick to see if it's the mobo and then the other 3 sticks individually. If the sticks are all fine individually then I guess it's the mobo ... or could there be a fix in BIOS?
VTT should run default at above 1V and it should increase with steps of about 0,01V. you probably upped VCCSA?
either way maybe it is the board though im just trying to help tongue.gif
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Does that same kind of thing come in an 8 GB stick?

Max at 4GB at the moment I'm afraid frown.gif

For the record, I run mine at 1.5v, 7-7-7-21-1 @ 1600mhz
OR 2133 @ 9-10-9-24-2 @1.55v.
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@punceh: Thanks for the tips. I did bump the VTT to 1.065 from 0.975 (can't remember exactly, I used the next value up from the default). Same problem. Any other tips?
EDIT: I'm now testing one stick at a time and surprise: with only one stick in slot B2 it seems to work. Prime95 has been happily munching for the past 20 minutes. I'll test the other 3 slots with this stick to see if it's the mobo and then the other 3 sticks individually. If the sticks are all fine individually then I guess it's the mobo ... or could there be a fix in BIOS?

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my Extreme6 hates 2400mhz too. I've a kit of Samsung 30nm RAM that I'm currently testing and no matter how much I throw at it it won't boot at 2400mhz, at all. Even with max CL. Nothing. I know this kit is capable of these speeds, so I also blame the board.

If they say it needs different timings: I would use AIDA64 and check what the correct timings need to be for that speed. If that does not work I would buy a new motherboard. If you need help with how to check the proper timings with AIDA64 let me know. I do not know any other way to get every little detailed ram timing setting(the correct one) except with AIDA64/Everest. It gets these settings from the RAM. I have done this with any RAM I have ever used just to double check the motherboard(overclocked or not). (It also gets the XMP settings timings')

Also you said you are not overclocking but XMP technically is overclocking. The ram is rated at 1600 but should run at 2400.

Also with blaming the board, yes the motherboard may not be setting the timings correctly or it hates alot of RAM. I would look into the timings before ditching the board.

For AIDA64 go to Motherboard -> RAM(or SPD I cannot remember)
I can take a screenshot when I get home.
Please note it shows more detailed settings than CPU-Z or other programs that just show the basic timings.
Edited by aar0nsky - 7/31/12 at 1:18pm
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If they say it needs different timings: I would use AIDA64 and check what the correct timings need to be for that speed. If that does not work I would buy a new motherboard. If you need help with how to check the proper timings with AIDA64 let me know. I do not know any other way to get every little detailed ram timing setting(the correct one) except with AIDA64/Everest. It gets these settings from the RAM. I have done this with any RAM I have ever used just to double check the motherboard(overclocked or not). (It also gets the XMP settings timings')
Also you said you are not overclocking but XMP technically is overclocking. The ram is rated at 1600 but should run at 2400.
Also with blaming the board, yes the motherboard may not be setting the timings correctly or it hates alot of RAM. I would look into the timings before ditching the board.
For AIDA64 go to Motherboard -> RAM(or SPD I cannot remember)
I can take a screenshot when I get home.
Please note it shows more detailed settings than CPU-Z or other programs that just show the basic timings.

I've done that man, this is me we're talkin' about here.

The board won't even boot at 15-15-15-35-2 @ 2400mhz; it just refuses.
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If they say it needs different timings: I would use AIDA64 and check what the correct timings need to be for that speed. If that does not work I would buy a new motherboard. If you need help with how to check the proper timings with AIDA64 let me know. I do not know any other way to get every little detailed ram timing setting(the correct one) except with AIDA64/Everest. It gets these settings from the RAM. I have done this with any RAM I have ever used just to double check the motherboard(overclocked or not). (It also gets the XMP settings timings')
Also you said you are not overclocking but XMP technically is overclocking. The ram is rated at 1600 but should run at 2400.
Also with blaming the board, yes the motherboard may not be setting the timings correctly or it hates alot of RAM. I would look into the timings before ditching the board.
For AIDA64 go to Motherboard -> RAM(or SPD I cannot remember)
I can take a screenshot when I get home.
Please note it shows more detailed settings than CPU-Z or other programs that just show the basic timings.

I've done all that too, and I was using AIDA in the same way.

I checked all sticks individually. They all work FINE at 2400 MHz! Also, putting two of them in slots A2 and B2 (so 2nd bank) also works FINE at 2400 MHz. Putting two sticks in slots A1 and B1 (so 1st bank) is where it craps out. Prime95 fails in a second, memtest86+ gives errors and lots of apps crash.

This beta BIOS M1.90A that GEIL gave me seems better than 1.90 or lower. It automatically applies 1.665v DRAM voltage and 1.141v VTT when selecting XMP profile 1 (2400 MHz). I put some screenshots here.

Extreme6 BIOS M1.90A - 2200 MHz at CL 10-11-11-28 - stable!



Extreme6 BIOS M1.90A - 2400 MHz at CL 11-12-12-30 - craps out, apps crash.



AIDA SPD/XMP:



If you pay attention in the last shots at the RTL and IO-L values, you will notice that Channel A is detected as lower timings than Channel B -- 45 vs 46. Also, for the 2400 MHz shots, you will see that the first dimm in channel B is at timing 4 vs all others at 3. I tried to manually set them all on RTl=46 and IO-L=4 but then it won't post at all ...

It kind of looks as if this motherboard is not working well with 2400 MHz memory. Makes me wonder why they advertise up to 2800 MHz.

EDIT: Can anyone with some past experience comment on whether this sort of issue can be fixed with a better BIOS or is it a hardware problem? I would be willing to work with 2200 MHz temporarily until ASRock issues a BIOS that fixes this problem but not if it's a hardware problem. I paid a fat premium to get 2400 MHz.

Cheers

P.S. I also tried increasing timings .. it doesn't even post. Craps out and automatically reverts to DDR3 1333.
Edited by mastabog - 7/31/12 at 4:28pm
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I've done that man, this is me we're talkin' about here.
The board won't even boot at 15-15-15-35-2 @ 2400mhz; it just refuses.

Did you see my post? Anything else you can think of?
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Did you see my post? Anything else you can think of?
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I've dried LLC on level 1, 2, and 3. No changes.

Sorry, must have missed it. My b.

Uhm, honestly that's kinda strange. What CPU are you using?
You have Spread Spectrum, SpeedStep, C1E, C3, C6 disabled?

If it's still doing it and LLC levels aren't helping the vdroop, I'd say clear your CMOS, update your BIOS (through the BIOS itself or DOS, NEVER through Windows) and give it another shot.
If you're still having issues, I'd contact ASRock and inquire with them.
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I've done that man, this is me we're talkin' about here.
The board won't even boot at 15-15-15-35-2 @ 2400mhz; it just refuses.

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Originally Posted by mastabog View Post

I've done all that too, and I was using AIDA in the same way.
I checked all sticks individually. They all work FINE at 2400 MHz! Also, putting two of them in slots A2 and B2 (so 2nd bank) also works FINE at 2400 MHz. Putting two sticks in slots A1 and B1 (so 1st bank) is where it craps out. Prime95 fails in a second, memtest86+ gives errors and lots of apps crash.
This beta BIOS M1.90A that GEIL gave me seems better than 1.90 or lower. It automatically applies 1.665v DRAM voltage and 1.141v VTT when selecting XMP profile 1 (2400 MHz). I put some screenshots here.
Extreme6 BIOS M1.90A - 2200 MHz at CL 10-11-11-28 - stable!

Extreme6 BIOS M1.90A - 2400 MHz at CL 11-12-12-30 - craps out, apps crash.

AIDA SPD/XMP:

If you pay attention in the last shots at the RTL and IO-L values, you will notice that Channel A is detected as lower timings than Channel B -- 45 vs 46. Also, for the 2400 MHz shots, you will see that the first dimm in channel B is at timing 4 vs all others at 3. I tried to manually set them all on RTl=46 and IO-L=4 but then it won't post at all ...
It kind of looks as if this motherboard is not working well with 2400 MHz memory. Makes me wonder why they advertise up to 2800 MHz.
EDIT: Can anyone with some past experience comment on whether this sort of issue can be fixed with a better BIOS or is it a hardware problem? I would be willing to work with 2200 MHz temporarily until ASRock issues a BIOS that fixes this problem but not if it's a hardware problem. I paid a fat premium to get 2400 MHz.
Cheers
P.S. I also tried increasing timings .. it doesn't even post. Craps out and automatically reverts to DDR3 1333.

My bad. Just trying to help you guys out. I think its weird that they would advertise that but some manufacturers get one brand and model of RAM to run at that speed and will advertise it to be that speed.

The only thing I have done with my RAM on my extreme 4 is I had my 1600mhz ram running @ 1800. In reality the ram I have is 1333mhz but its 1600mhz xmp. So technically speaking it was 1333mhz -> 1800 overclock tongue.gif
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My bad. Just trying to help you guys out. I think its weird that they would advertise that but some manufacturers get one brand and model of RAM to run at that speed and will advertise it to be that speed.
The only thing I have done with my RAM on my extreme 4 is I had my 1600mhz ram running @ 1800. In reality the ram I have is 1333mhz but its 1600mhz xmp. So technically speaking it was 1333mhz -> 1800 overclock tongue.gif

Got the RAM to boot and be stable @ 2400mhz.. I just put the RAM in slot 2 and 4 instead of 1 and 3.

Weird huh?
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