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so i am attempting to do a very modest OC on my sig rig. i have i7-3770 non-k
i dont know what the limitations are but i dont really desire anything major. my main use for this computer is video editing and casual gaming.
i followed this guide http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition
and was wondering if there was anything else i am missing as i set multiplier to 39 and followed the CPU configuration and the advanced CPU settings for C states in option 1 so im not running when idling or whatever.
am i overlooking anything or do i all really need to do is just bump multiplier up and leave everything else at auto?
right now i just have my multiplier set to 39 because i dont want to over do it since i have no clue what i am doing redface.gif

I have the same processor as you - i7 3770. I got it because 4.3GHz per 2 top cores is realistically all I need, so I didn't feel like overpaying for the K version. Non-K processors can overclock by 4 "bins" of BCLK per core from their stock configuration. This means that you can set your voltages to Auto, change the overclock to "per core", and set the two top cores to 4.3GHz (3.9 + 0.4 (100MHz BCLK x 4)), 3 cores to 4.2GHz, all 4 cores to 4.1GHz.

Then gradually lower core voltage by using "offset voltage" and changing it in a more negative direction. You may need to step up to Load Line Calibration level 4 or 3 as you decrease core voltage. My 4.3GHz profile is stable at -0.06V offset at LLC level 3. My 3.9GHz per core profile is stable at -0.1V offset at LLC level 5, for reference. This just helps with temperatures, if you care about fan noise. Otherwise you could just leave it at stock voltages - just that stock and auto voltages are usually more than you need.
   
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i think i may just stay stock for a while. i honestly have very little understanding of what all that means other than knowing where to change those settings in bios.

i was trying to do 3.9GHz without touching anything other settings and it wasnt stable and i got memory_management BSOD error which i know possibly has to do with ram but thats about it. i ran memtest a while ago for 6 hours and had no errors
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Did you change your RAM settings? Or DRAM voltage? Or any other voltages? That could cause some memory stability issues.

What I wrote out is pretty fool-proof, about overclocking on auto voltage. If you have decent cooling, you should be fine on auto voltage to 4.3GHz per core. You can google overclocking i5 2400 and similar - there are articles about non-K processors. They are partially-locked, which means you can overclock them to a certain limit without any issues. That limit is ~400MHz per core which is 4 bins of BCLK (100MHz per bin for socket 1155 processors - they don't like higher numbers). For example, an i5 2400 is 3.1GHz stock, 3.4GHz boost. That means you can go into BIOS and set the top core to the max boost (3.4GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.8GHz), when 2 cores are at high load, they will go to the next highest boost (3.3GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.7GHz), 3 cores at high load will go to their respective boost (3.2GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.6GHz), and all 4 cores at max load (such as while running Prime95) will be at 3.1GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.5GHz. You can do all of this leaving core voltage at Auto, which is pre-specified by Intel and motherboard manufacturers. You won't get any crazy temperatures, unless you're cooling with peanut butter. Ivy runs warmer, so I use offset voltage to lower load temps a bit, that's all, since my case is smaller and airflow is suboptimal. But you could try increasing "per core" frequencies by 0.4GHz each, keeping everything else on Auto, and see how your system fares in normal applications and games.

Try these settings (just ignore my RAM settings. Load-Line Calibration can probably be left at lvl5 too at Auto voltages, but you can try at 4 for greater stability).




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i understand a little but confused by parts about bins and stuff and how certain numbers in sequence work. i might just not be getting any of it. not sure what i am supposed to set my multiplier to but it sounds like 39 is not an even number that the cpu likes or the bins like :/
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Updated my post above with screenshots to guide you smile.gif

To explain BCLK super simply, it's simply Base Clock rate. It's usually 100MHz for current Intel processors. So when your processor runs at 3.9GHz, it's running at 39 x 100MHz = 3900MHz = 3.9GHz. So the "multiplier" is 39, and the BCLK is 100. When overclocking using a multiplier, you're incrementally increasing (or decreasing) processor speed in multiples of 100MHz. You can change BCLK to other numbers, like 105MHz, but socket 1155 processors don't like it and have stability issues with that (because BCLK controls other things, like the integrated memory controller, so increasing BCLK also overclocks RAM). So best to leave BCLK at 100 and only change the multiplier. In the case of K processors, the multiplier is unlocked to a very high number. In non-K chips, the maximum multiplier is locked to +4 of the stock boost multiplier. E.g. for your processor, the maximum boost is x39, so you can overclock to x39 + 4 = x43 per top two cores.
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ah ok i am seeing it a little clearer now. so actually setting my multiplier for all cores at 39 was probably one of the causes for having trouble.

to keep it simple with what you are saying about the +4

if i set my top two cores at 43 then what would i set the bottom two cores at? 39? and then leave everything else on auto to start off
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Well it's up to you. The photos I linked give you the maximum overclock you can achieve with BCLK of 100 for your CPU. Unless you have lots of highly threaded applications running all the time, you don't really need to max out all your cores. You could do top two cores at 4.3GHz and the rest lower, like 3.7GHz on all 4 cores. It's basically up to you and what you do. But yes, start with leaving everything on auto in terms of voltages. This is a small enough overclock where all the voltages are completely within safe limits. If your temperatures and fan noise doesn't bother you at auto, you can just keep going with it. I have a min-max OCD with running at the lowest stable voltages, so I end up tweaking core voltage (via offset, which means offset from the automatically-selected voltage value. e.g. an offset of -0.05V from an automatically selected voltage at each load).

Load-Line Calibration compensate for voltage droop, which you can read about. LLC 5 has the least amount of compensation, which means your idle voltage will be lowest and at load, the core voltage will drop (droop) to sometimes unstable values (if your selected voltage is too low). LLC1 adds the most voltage to compensate for the droop, thus the core voltage will be higher at idle and closer to what it should be at load. When you have auto values selected, they are usually more than what you need anyway, so LLC 5 or 4 should be fine. When you start tweaking and going for high overclocks on K processors (or squeezing out the maximum overclock out of the minimum voltage), you may need to start adjusting LLC to compensate more, setting it to level 3 - 1.
   
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cool once i finish rendering these effects in premiere ill try top two cores at 43 and bottom ones at 37

really just trying to see if its possible or worth trying to get any extra performance when editing HD video

thanks biggrin.gif
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Hey!

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Did you change your RAM settings? Or DRAM voltage? Or any other voltages? That could cause some memory stability issues. Snip! (Click to show)
What I wrote out is pretty fool-proof, about overclocking on auto voltage. If you have decent cooling, you should be fine on auto voltage to 4.3GHz per core. You can google overclocking i5 2400 and similar - there are articles about non-K processors. They are partially-locked, which means you can overclock them to a certain limit without any issues. That limit is ~400MHz per core which is 4 bins of BCLK (100MHz per bin for socket 1155 processors - they don't like higher numbers). For example, an i5 2400 is 3.1GHz stock, 3.4GHz boost. That means you can go into BIOS and set the top core to the max boost (3.4GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.8GHz), when 2 cores are at high load, they will go to the next highest boost (3.3GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.7GHz), 3 cores at high load will go to their respective boost (3.2GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.6GHz), and all 4 cores at max load (such as while running Prime95) will be at 3.1GHz + 0.4GHz = 3.5GHz. You can do all of this leaving core voltage at Auto, which is pre-specified by Intel and motherboard manufacturers. You won't get any crazy temperatures, unless you're cooling with peanut butter. Ivy runs warmer, so I use offset voltage to lower load temps a bit, that's all, since my case is smaller and airflow is suboptimal. But you could try increasing "per core" frequencies by 0.4GHz each, keeping everything else on Auto, and see how your system fares in normal applications and games.
Try these settings (just ignore my RAM settings. Load-Line Calibration can probably be left at lvl5 too at Auto voltages, but you can try at 4 for greater stability).


Did you know you can take screenshots in BIOS if you plug in a USB stick and hit F12? (:
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