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post #61 of 80
5/9/12 at 7:16am
Most of the people in this thread have an irrational fear of things. Like being afraid of flying due to watching too many disaster movies.

A road-worthy automated car would revolutionise the world all over again. I'd buy one in a flash.
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5/9/12 at 7:59am
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Why would it require telepathy? Simple speech recognition is something I envision as being a requirement for autonomous cars.
Out of gas? Car notifies you that you have X number of kilometers left to drive on current gas and you tell it to pull into the nearest gas station, or if it's rush hour and all the stations are going to be busy but you know of a specific station that is out of the way tell it to go there. It needs to be able to pull into a gas station and park where it can be refueled on it's own before autonomous vehicles are viable for the average consumer in my mind. Oil changes or other maintenance would be similar.
Need to take a leak in the middle of nowhere? Tell it to find a relatively safe place to pull over in the next 5 or 10 minutes. See a bear go "OMG! A bear! I need some pictures! Car! pull over!" See a hitchiker? "Car, stop by that person on the side of the road.".
Going to somewhere obscure that isn't mapped and you arn't 100% sure where it is? Feed your car instructions as you go. "Car, our destination is roughly 100km down this road on the right. Notify me as we come up to turnouts on the right after the next 90km." And then as you close in on your location consult your gps and map and continue giving instructions.
These are all bonuses mind. Going to and from work or a mall, or a shop, or a theater without more then destination info would be the minimum I'd want, but it would be more then enough. I don't think an autonomous car that you have to drive yourself through the tricky parts, shifting control on the fly, would be worthwhile (or safe).

Unmapped camping grounds are unmapped (not in the computer), you can't tell a computer to look for something that isn't there, and expect it to succeed. The cars can remind you about an oil change, mine pops up in my dash every few months telling me. When the fuel gauge is low, another dummy light pops up, either that, or you can just read the gauge and make a decision yourself.

You're essentially saying "until toilets can wipe for me, there's no use for them". Baby steps, the google car is just the first.

Your original post made it sound like you didn't want any input. Had you said "it needs voice recognition", your post would have sounded much less snide and more realistic.
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post #63 of 80
5/9/12 at 8:12am
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Unmapped camping grounds are unmapped (not in the computer), you can't tell a computer to look for something that isn't there, and expect it to succeed. The cars can remind you about an oil change, mine pops up in my dash every few months telling me. When the fuel gauge is low, another dummy light pops up, either that, or you can just read the gauge and make a decision yourself.
You're essentially saying "until toilets can wipe for me, there's no use for them". Baby steps, the google car is just the first.
Your original post made it sound like you didn't want any input. Had you said "it needs voice recognition", your post would have sounded much less snide and more realistic.

My dad's BMW tells him how many miles he has left in the tank.
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post #64 of 80
5/9/12 at 8:23am
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Unmapped camping grounds are unmapped (not in the computer), you can't tell a computer to look for something that isn't there, and expect it to succeed. The cars can remind you about an oil change, mine pops up in my dash every few months telling me. When the fuel gauge is low, another dummy light pops up, either that, or you can just read the gauge and make a decision yourself.
You're essentially saying "until toilets can wipe for me, there's no use for them". Baby steps, the google car is just the first.
Your original post made it sound like you didn't want any input. Had you said "it needs voice recognition", your post would have sounded much less snide and more realistic.

My dad's BMW tells him how many miles he has left in the tank.

My Subaru does the same thing.
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post #65 of 80
5/9/12 at 8:40am
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Most of the people in this thread have an irrational fear of things. Like being afraid of flying due to watching too many disaster movies.
A road-worthy automated car would revolutionise the world all over again. I'd buy one in a flash.

Pretty bad comparison. Flying is far safer then driving.

I'd sooner get on a plane then get in a car thats got a computer driving it. But then, if a robot car became the norm, i'd be more inclined to jump in one then essentially beta testing a new technology.

Besides, i enjoy driving too much to let a robot take over.
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post #66 of 80
5/9/12 at 8:45am
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Seems like no one thinks realistically and you are a bunch of nerds that only understand coding and not reality. Automated transportation is going to take away quite a few jobs first of all. I mean besides the obvious ones are taxis, busdrivers, truckers and there peripherals. It may not take over airplanes for a long time or ever though for obvious security reasons. Im not saying its a bad thing but its definitely something to think about.

What if these cars get hacked? These cars are a terrorists dream come true. Fill a truck with explosive and remote control it to where you want. Or just carmageddon a city. One person in an actual vehicle can kill dozens of people (happened in SF a few years ago). What if that same person hacked cars, how would they figure out a way to stop that? Or shut down the system and gridlock NY (seen DH3?). And having an automated system that can fail isnt good because then you have to rely on manual. And if someone rarely drives their skills will degrade and they are more likely to crash.

What about bugs and all sorts of random variables that a car cant figure out on the fly? Wasnt there some cars that had a problem with a bug of acceleration where the car basically kept going faster until it crashed? I cant remember exactly. If coders cant properly make videogames and there is a constant arms race in security is it really a good idea to essentially let 2 tons of metal times the number of cars be under someones control?

What about the laws and control the government has over your personal vehicle? Do you want the govt to have a killswitch on all forms of ground transportation and be able to see everything all the time in real time from as many angles as there are vehicles? I'm sure there will be like a weekly backlog of video feed for these. If the car crashes or injures someone who pays? What if these automated cars are better at driving at some point than a human and you have higher insurance costs because you want to drive your vehicle and dont want to use an automated car?

Thats just off the top of my head I'm sure there are a ton of other things to think about.

You are totally right, we should just go back to living in caves.

True it would be a miserable existance, lots of people would die young, but at least they could all have jobs clubbing the wolves and bears.

Many advances in technology has been met with the cry of "what about the job losses", yet most people are still in employment (OK, right now we are in a recession). The world moves on, people find other jobs.

Cars getting hacked? What happens if someone cuts your break line, or turns off your ABS? Although these cars would ideally be linked I would imagine the safety side of things will be hard coded / wired. Heck, we already do the same thing in power plants - all the safety shut down systems are not accessible through the network, at all.

Bugs and so on? What about drivers falling asleep at the wheel, driving drunk, using a cell phone, yelling at kids, changing the radio, dropping their cigarette, applying their makeup, forgetting their glasses, looking at the hot girl on the sidewalk or many of the other random distractions that lead to accidents? Humans are way more fallible than a decent computer system.

The "acceleration bug" you mentioned was never conclusively prooved, in fact the problem was to do with the accelerator pedal physically getting stuck under the floor mat. Also note that all modern cars are designed with brakes that are stronger than the engine i.e. if you push both the accelerator and brake pedals to the floor the car will stop.

Then you go into wild conspiracy theories about government kill switches and surveilence.

Video of every crash? That would be wonderful. Court cases would be shorter, cheaper and more fair if there was clear evidence available.

The legal situation will need some work, but the current cars require a "driver" to be responsible for the car at all times. If there is an accident then it will be treated exactly the same as if the ABS or brakes failed on a normal car.
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post #67 of 80
5/9/12 at 9:08am
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Did you read any of the article or watch the video? There needs to be no infrastructure whatsoever to support these cars. They will drive on normal roads like a real driver would.
I'm sure the current setup is fairly expensive, but it will drop to an easily affordable level. Once that happens, I can see a state or two start requiring automated cars, since they will be much safer.

Ah yes, because the video says it will require no infrastructure. Got it. So you're saying the cars are indestructable and that none of the mechanical parts will wear out, so there'll be no need for an aftermarket parts channel and therefore no need to make sure aftermarket parts meet OEM standards for cabling and performance, and no need for trained personnel to install and reintegrate these parts into your autonomous vehicle? That's awesome.

Meanwhile, take a car with a TPMS on it to any garage and ask to have the tires rotated. Bet it's not free, like it used to be. Now imagine a car where every system is interlinked and needs to be perfectly calibrated or else the car will malfunction. I'm not being a luddite here, I am just saying, the marvelous age of autonomous cars will require an investment that most can't afford to make.
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5/9/12 at 9:22am
At least now I don't have to worry about somebody wrecking into me because they're texting and driving now...or talking on the phone with one hand and eating a hamburger with the other. *true story rolleyes.gif

On a serious note, I wouldn't trust my life and family/friend's lives to this quite yet.
In the future after they've proven they are 100% reliable I'll consider one for a DD.
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post #69 of 80
5/9/12 at 9:36am
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I would never trust my vehicle in the hands of a computer. Never.
This is why i exclusively drive older cars. entirely mechanical.

"Why do you keep a diary?"

"To keep secrets from my computer."
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5/9/12 at 10:20am
All well and good, but until they can spot black ice and diesel spills, then they won't help a decent driver...

Sure they have better peripheral awareness and huge processing power many of us lack, but initial costs will mean the wealthy are the few who could afford them, I'd suggest the medically challenged be offered them next, and eventually costs will drop allowing product into the mass market.

So long as the control program is isolated from the "customer servicers" interface, then hacking shouldn't be a problem, IMHO.

dunx

P.S. Over here in the U.K. roads are narrower and more challenging too ! I love driving myself, Subaru + empty country road = bliss !
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