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Thanks, it's fine since I make in one month what you probably make in a year.

This sort of statement always amuses me. People bragging over the internet about their wage is like making claims about their manhood. Both childish and more then a little pathetic, and immediately becomes suspect of some sort of overcompensation.. thumb.gif
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Thanks, it's fine since I make in one month what you probably make in a year.

I'm fine with making what I do when I do. But thank you for showing off.
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Hate it as much as you want, but it's the real world and isn't going to change.

Sadly with people that share the same attitude as you, I know this for a fact.
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Also, adscend doesn't "hire" anyone, people sign up and promote the advertisers offers. Adscend only receives a small cut of the revenue, and isn't responsible for how its users promote offers. It's a bit like blaming a gun store for selling a guy a gun who kills some one with it.

Ok then, if you want to take it literally, they should think twice about the contracts they make with others if they don't want to be responsible for the cleanup. It's like blaming the gas stations for BP's oil spill. They had nothing to do with it, but now people despise BP gas stations. It's the gun stores fault for selling a firearm to an individual who is using it for malicious intent. That's how come the Brady bill came to exist. Maybe Ad media needs a such law to keep them in check too?
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Marketing=social engineering for the most part. It is evaluating, manipulating, and changing markets and consumers to best fit the conditions.

Marketing != Data collection. Data collection can be done by social engineering but it is unethical.
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I never made the stand that stuff like this is ethical. But, in reality, damn near everything that makes a lot of money easily is unethical.

You implied it with your "Welcome to marketing" quip. There is a difference between serving ads to a target demographic, and willfully allowing unethical data collection to a third party...
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If you telling me you had the mental capacity and method of getting $X,XXX,XXX per month even though it was "unethical" (NOT ILLEGAL), and you wouldn't do it at all, you are either extremely stupid or completely lying. Ignorance is bliss.

I would not, so I guess I'm just stupid or just have a loud enough conscience. I guess everyone else who's comfortable with where they are in life or whom do not need to step on people to be happy are stupid too? I can't be bought off. And I'm not easily satisfied with money. I'm happy making what I do when I do with the love of my life and don't need a mansion or a nice car to make me happy. I'm simple. I guess I'm stupid then.
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I personally don't mind, and have nothing against, advertisements. I don't use adblock to support the websites I go in to. But yes, 'forced' advertisement is pretty retarded.
    
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I personally don't mind, and have nothing against, advertisements. I don't use adblock to support the websites I go in to. But yes, 'forced' advertisement is pretty retarded.

I completely agree. I turn off ABP for some forums I visit, because I usually don't have the discretionary income to buy a month or two membership.. maybe here or there, but times are tight. But elsewhere with their annoying "you've won a free iPod nano" can bite me. Hell I click ads on OCN all the time because they interest me... but fooling people by telling them they are receiving free ipads to steal their information.... that's sickening.
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I'm a member of adscend media... Lol.
Given that little/none of you even know how CPA marketing/internet marketing works, its kinda unfair to judge...
Facebook isn't at any way responsible for this, this was using the social side of facebook, not their built in ad platform.
This isn't really "scams" in the sense you think, no body lost money, dumb people just handed over personal information. Adscend media just made money off of that because affiliates of their network promoted offers from advertisers who were willing to pay for that information. The network just acts as the middle man, not responsible for the promotion methods or what the advertiser does with the information. If you don't want to lose personal information, don't post it or fill it out anywhere it may be compromised. These people have no-one to blame but themselves. Welcome to business and the real works, especially marketing.
Here is a better report. http://performinsider.com/2012/05/adscend-settles-with-ag-for-100k/

So... Stupid people deserve to have their stupidity taken advantage of? And since you're just the middle man you're not responsible? If only my drug dealer could convince people of that, he'd still be in business biggrin.gif
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Thanks, it's fine since I make in one month what you probably make in a year. Hate it as much as you want, but it's the real world and isn't going to change. Also, adscend doesn't "hire" anyone, people sign up and promote the advertisers offers. Adscend only receives a small cut of the revenue, and isn't responsible for how its users promote offers. It's a bit like blaming a gun store for selling a guy a gun who kills some one with it.
Marketing=social engineering for the most part. It is evaluating, manipulating, and changing markets and consumers to best fit the conditions.
I never made the stand that stuff like this is ethical. But, in reality, damn near everything that makes a lot of money easily is unethical. If you telling me you had the mental capacity and method of getting $X,XXX,XXX per month even though it was "unethical" (NOT ILLEGAL), and you wouldn't do it at all, you are either extremely stupid or completely lying.
Ignorance is bliss

You're not helping your case one bit.
I could start up a range of perfectly legal yet worthless medicines in the US and according to the laws that govern homeopathy and other herbal supplements I would be free to peddle my "medicine" in any store in America even though the scientific method says it has no expectation of benefit to the end user. Am I "extremely stupid or completely lying" because I choose not to "sell" people false hope?
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Not everyone is a sell-out. Just because you are doesn't mean those that aren't are "Stupid". Some of us were brought up with Morals.
Precisely.
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what is facebook?

    
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what is facebook?

it's a book with a face.

clearly the business model work cuz they made 1.1mil of profit. lachen.gif
Edited by darksideleader - 5/14/12 at 11:04pm
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But if they get shut down, does that mean I cant win anymore iPads?
Really? I only got one frown.gif All it took was my SS number and a couple other things!
Rep this post for 2000 followers! rolleyes.gif
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I'm a member of adscend media... Lol.
Given that little/none of you even know how CPA marketing/internet marketing works, its kinda unfair to judge...
Facebook isn't at any way responsible for this, this was using the social side of facebook, not their built in ad platform.
This isn't really "scams" in the sense you think, no body lost money, dumb people just handed over personal information. Adscend media just made money off of that because affiliates of their network promoted offers from advertisers who were willing to pay for that information. The network just acts as the middle man, not responsible for the promotion methods or what the advertiser does with the information. If you don't want to lose personal information, don't post it or fill it out anywhere it may be compromised. These people have no-one to blame but themselves. Welcome to business and the real works, especially marketing.
Here is a better report. http://performinsider.com/2012/05/adscend-settles-with-ag-for-100k/
This does not help your case. Saying that what you did wasn't illegal, just unethical, and therefore you shouldn't stop is a bad way to look at it.
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Who uses faceboook? I'm sorry, but the people who I'm "friends" with are people I actually talk to, not the 500+ I have on facebook. If you're my friend I'll call/text you to communicate, nof through facebook. Oh, and noak you are a troll. I don't care if you make $1m+ a month, you are obviously trying to compensate for some type of emtional gap in your life. I'm happy with my life.
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Never had any issues with it, luckily.
But I do agree, these bastards should've been fined far more.
 
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