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No amount of flaming is changing the fact Nvidia is winning this round , why do you think AMD bothers to put out a statement like that ? if everything was so fine and dandy thay wouldn't bother.
Like i said before all Nvidia needed to match/beat AMD offerings is GK104 , they didn't even release their mid range or true high end card , when those cards come out ....... yeah ...... AMD is sweating no doubt about that.
Why do you think Nvidia has GTX690 out already and 7990 is not even in the rumors even though AMD had 3 months lead in the 28nm GPU's ?
With TSMC giving Nvidia priority the supply shortage is going to end , not that's it's such a huge issue anyway , if you want you can get 680 or 690 just do some searching and keep a hand on the pulse ,no biggie.

You could say it a million times... repeating the same thing just makes you incorrect over and over. You're not going to suddenly win an argument by repetition.

AMD and Nvidia do this crap all the time, regardless of who's beating who. Your knowledge of the industry is clearly in its infancy.

AMD is absolutely right. How is Nvidia winning if they can't supply anybody? They're not. If AMD produced 100 units of a card that absolutely stomped Nvidia by 100%, would they be the winner? According to your logic, they would.

There's a lot more to business than that. AMD is still, as of right now, in the better position. It's a changing position, and they're losing ground, but until AMD drops their prices and Nvidia does in return, they're still going to have the upper hand.

This isn't about who's got the better card -- it's about market share. AMD is absolutely beating Nvidia at this, although Nvidia will definitely be catching up now that the 670 is released. Nvidia still has 4 cards that they need to answer, though.
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post #192 of 532
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I have to say that's a pretty low blow from AMD, but there's some truth to it.
Focusing on high-resolutions in reviews is pathetic though. I think the majority still plays on a single full HD (or lower, like me) screen. The people with eyefinity setups and 2560x1600 are a pretty small percentile I reckon.

Just to remind you, this is OCN... people using $1000-1500 worth of graphics cards in their rig isn't common for typical users either, but it's common enough in the enthusiast market. Really hope people don't lay out $500+ on graphics cards to use it with a $120 23" monitor.

You don't really need much more than a single card for 1920x1200, and some games are fine at 2560x1600 on a single card. Now, the issue is, if you're considering a 4GB 670 or 680, the only reason to get one is because you're playing at high resolutions. Probably will need at least triple- 1080p or dual 2560x1600 to pass 2GB of VRAM usage. So it's quite fair to compare high res performance, especially when it's adding $60-90 to the Nvidia models, whereas 3GB of VRAM is almost certainly enough for up to 3x 2560x1600.

Basically, 7970 3GB is a better value than both the 680 4GB and 670 4GB for a strong majority of users who happen to use multi-GPU, multi-monitor setups. But of course the 670 2GB is a better value for lower resolutions. 680 2GB and 7970 3GB are pretty much the same speed if you overclock them both similarly. But in terms of product longevity, 7970 now + a cheap one in a year = enough power for at least a few years to drive a couple 1080p monitors, maybe even 1600p, without getting choked by VRAM. And it seems like "buy one now, get a cheap one later" is a pretty common upgrade path for OCNers.
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In contrast,both GTX 680 and GTX 690 have not been supplied in any significant volume and continue to be unavailable at major stores like Newegg in the US and Alternate Europe (as of noon, Wednesday May 8th).
Yes, because it has NOTHING to do with the fact that demand for Kepler is so ridiculously bonkers that even if Nvidia could churn out these cards, who's to say that they STILL wouldn't be flying off the shelves/e-shelves? rolleyes.gif
This just propaganda for those on the fence about which way to go, and if they're impatient enough, this may push them over the edge toward the Red side, especially for the people tired of F5'ing multiple sites a day just to get a *chance* to buy a 680 or a 690 (let's not even talk about the 670 dropping - I predict 0 stock of that as well, given early performance indications).
Unfortunately, I don't know how effective this kind of advertising/marketing strategy is, as the people AMD are targeting with it that can actually afford to buy GPUs for upwards of $400, and if those people are sticking it out due to brand loyalty or because they just really want Kepler, this kind of poke will have little-to-no effect on those people. Yes, there will be those that will be pushed over the edge. But I can't imagine that it's a significant enough of a number that would have some sort of negative effect on the Green side.
And then there's the whole, "we know you've had no issues stocking the 7000 series, and we know you just dropped the price of the 7970 to $480 weeks ago just to compete with the 680, so doesn't this seem a tiny, tiny bit desperate in some regard?"
I mean, it CAN'T be a mere coincidence that this press release drops on the same day that Nvidia is given priority by TSMC to hit their May/June 28nm supply numbers. This is just free advertising for Nvidia, because everyone knows they can't keep the shelves stocked due to DEMAND, not because Nvidia is withholding stupid amounts of profits. Yes, supply is obviously nowhere near optimal, but when you're running out of $500-1000 GPUs in less than 5 minutes that they're stocked at ANY e-tailer, you're doing something incredibly, incredibly right.
And if we switched the roles of AMD and Nvidia RIGHT NOW, i'd be saying the exact same thing about AMD. thumb.gif
I hope you werent one of the people saying Bulldozer had supply issues as for the reason they were out if stock.
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post #194 of 532
Good for AMD, however, they should drop the prices of their 7850 and 7870 then I'll be satisfied.
    
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post #195 of 532
Coming from a 7870 AMD should question there driver team for terribad drivers. Never had so many issues with drivers in my life.
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Thought this was a 7990 announcement, not a sales ad.
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You could say it a million times... repeating the same thing just makes you incorrect over and over. You're not going to suddenly win an argument by repetition.
AMD and Nvidia do this crap all the time, regardless of who's beating who. Your knowledge of the industry is clearly in its infancy.
AMD is absolutely right. How is Nvidia winning if they can't supply anybody? They're not. If AMD produced 100 units of a card that absolutely stomped Nvidia by 100%, would they be the winner? According to your logic, they would.
There's a lot more to business than that. AMD is still, as of right now, in the better position. It's a changing position, and they're losing ground, but until AMD drops their prices and Nvidia does in return, they're still going to have the upper hand.
This isn't about who's got the better card -- it's about market share. AMD is absolutely beating Nvidia at this, although Nvidia will definitely be catching up now that the 670 is released. Nvidia still has 4 cards that they need to answer, though.

Exactly AMD was and is still way ahead of Nvidia this gen in terms of stock, they have had the entire line-up (except 7990) out for quite a bit now. Much more stock and at a better price. In the end we are talking about a business nothing more nothing less, marketing has always been around and this is part of it. If you are getting bent out of shape over what AMD has said, why? Is it because they are right? Is it that there card is better? Or is it because its AMD? If there card was truly inferior to Nvidia's why would anyone care what AMD was saying about it, as it barely attacks Nvidia only commenting on stock and it's lack of Vram for high res gaming. I'm just fed up with the GPU camps, buy what you want and be happy. If you are getting angry at either company over what they say about the other, you need to calm down it's just a business strategy (which is apparently working).

Edit: OCScrub you and me both tongue.gif
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Exactly AMD was and is still way ahead of Nvidia this gen in terms of stock, they have had the entire line-up (except 7990) out for quite a bit now. Much more stock and at a better price. In the end we are talking about a business nothing more nothing less, marketing has always been around and this is part of it. If you are getting bent out of shape over what AMD has said, why? Is it because they are right? Is it that there card is better? Or is it because its AMD? If there card was truly inferior to Nvidia's why would anyone care what AMD was saying about it, as it barely attacks Nvidia only commenting on stock and it's lack of Vram for high res gaming. I'm just fed up with the GPU camps, buy what you want and be happy. If you are getting angry at either company over what they say about the other, you need to calm down it's just a business strategy (which is apparently working).
Edit: OCScrub you and me both tongue.gif

People are getting bent out of shape because what AMD said is true, even if it is marketing. AMD cards are available and the performance different between AMD right now and Nvidia is just so small, you really wouldn't even notice it.

You know what an awesome marketing campaign for AMD would be? To sneak into an Nvidia fanboys house, swap his Nvidia card(s) with AMD and watch. I promise, that unless he pulls his device manager or looks in his case, he wouldn't know. Maybe a few keen eared people might notice a sound change, but that would be about it.

My hope is that with the release of the GTX 670 and increasing availability of Nvidia cards, as TSM has given them priority, the 7950/7970 will come down further in price. If they can drop down to that sub $350, maybe around $320 there will be a mad rush for the cards. I would buy one at that point.
    
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what are you talking about? just bought my GTX 670 for 399$ shipped on amazon.. yes 400$ thats 119$ less then you are saying... yes AMD better drop thier price or they are screwed.

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Two things...
1) People have already purchase the GTX 670 at $399.
2) Gamers do not need, or care, about compute performance.
If AMD dropped down to that ~$320 I could see them moving a lot of stock, if not they need to be prepaid to sit on a lot of that stock, as the 670 at $399 is a hell of a card.

First, those are the prices at the site the previous poster linked, in Australian dollars. So that is the choice for those customers. Secondly, all of this comes down to price/performance. Either company makes excellent cards. The market will automatically adjust to actual performance, it just takes a little time after an initial release. Every time a new card comes out, it will affect the price of the other cards available at that price range. Looking at what's currently available on Amazon, you do see the 670 at $409. The 7970 is $450, the $7950 at $399. All good deals. Now you would expect the market to adjust somewhat after the GTX 670 begins to reach the market.
The only problem with that now, is if there is a significant shortage in supply. The market won't adjust because people can't buy them anyways. Only time will tell really.
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what are you talking about? just bought my GTX 670 for 399$ shipped on amazon.. yes 400$ thats 119$ less then you are saying... yes AMD better drop thier price or they are screwed.

Really? I'd love to see these sales numbers to back up your claims.
    
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