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post #391 of 532
5/12/12 at 12:39am
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http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
2560x1600 only represents 0.16% of Steam user base.
Sure Steam is not completely representative of gamers but the standard deviation of the Steam survey should be order of magnitudes lower than OC.net user base....

What are you trying to prove here ? That everybody who buys a USD 500 card is playing at 1080p. Its plain ridiculous. Don't forget to see in Steam charts that the GTX 560 is the video card with maximum user base of 4.44%. As Steam says 1080p is the most popular resolution. It also says cards below USD 250 are the most popular and make up the most volume. We are talking about USD 500 cards. These are supposed to be flagship cards. Built with performance for today and tomorrow.
Lets take performance where it matters - at the most demanding resolutions at the highest game settings. Games like BF3 are easily doing 65 fps+ in BF3 at 1080p maxed out on HD 7970 and GTX 680. Above 60 fps how much does the user have ability to differentiate performance. Whereas at 2560 x 1600 and multi monitor gaming 5760 X 1080 these cards are really pushed to their limits

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1488/pg6/powercolor-pcs-hd7970-vs-gainward-gtx-680-phantom-review-battlefield-3.html

Look at the min fps at 5760 x 1080. 4 fps (25%) . Thats significant. BF3 is a game which Nvidia does relatively better.

If you look at the most bandwidth demanding games like Metro 2033 and Crysis Warhead .

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-review-feat-evga/5
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-review-feat-evga/6

FYI thats a ref HD 7970 (925 Mhz ) against a GTX 680 (1100 Mhz Turbo) in the above charts. Clock for clock the HD 7970 will be much faster. Factory OC versions like MSI HD 7970 Lightning will take the GTX 680 / 670 to the cleaners. smile.gif
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5/12/12 at 1:56am
The three month honeymoon as sole GPU on the market is over and so is consumers paying premium prices. Just goes to show you the only reason AMD has been price / performance prior was because they coudn't compete on raw performance level. The moment they were the only ball game in town they stuck it to their most loyal customers. Bend over and like it.

Now the 670 officially out (and there is plenty of stock daily on Newegg and various e-tailers) at a higher performance for same price AMD's only position is to lower pricing yet again in hopes to reach the budget minded crowd rather than the performance minded.

Sticks and stone AMD. wink.gif

Check it out there's plenty in stock at Newegg right now and I just radomly looked. Nothing to question but raise doubt prior to the release in hopes of snagging a tiny bit of extra revenue before sales dip.

Don't get me wrong, Nvidia was late and they paid tremendously. Lesson learned to Nvidia for not being out on time and AMD customers who thought AMD wasn't a business and always would provide lower prices. wink.gif
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5/12/12 at 3:58am
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The three month honeymoon as sole GPU on the market is over and so is consumers paying premium prices. Just goes to show you the only reason AMD has been price / performance prior was because they coudn't compete on raw performance level. The moment they were the only ball game in town they stuck it to their most loyal customers. Bend over and like it.
Now the 670 officially out (and there is plenty of stock daily on Newegg and various e-tailers) at a higher performance for same price AMD's only position is to lower pricing yet again in hopes to reach the budget minded crowd rather than the performance minded.
Sticks and stone AMD. wink.gif
Check it out there's plenty in stock at Newegg right now and I just radomly looked. Nothing to question but raise doubt prior to the release in hopes of snagging a tiny bit of extra revenue before sales dip.
Don't get me wrong, Nvidia was late and they paid tremendously. Lesson learned to Nvidia for not being out on time and AMD customers who thought AMD wasn't a business and always would provide lower prices. wink.gif

That remains to be seen, really. 2 days after release and 4 out of 7 670 GPU's are out of stock at Newegg. Let's see what happens in the next week. I really hope there is sufficient supply, otherwise there won't be any significant price drops.
Also to say AMD bent their customers over with 7000 series prices is just silly. They are the same price range they always are with their top-tier cards. Retailers are the ones who marked up 7970's, because they could.
Edited by Redwoodz - 5/12/12 at 4:02am
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5/12/12 at 4:00am
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That remains to be seen, really. 2 days after release and 4 out of 7 670 GPU's are out of stock at Newegg. Let's see what happens in the next week. I really hope there is sufficient supply, otherwise there won't be any significant price drops.

I'm guessing there'll be a greater supply of 670's than 680's but likely not enough to keep them in stock. 670's are likely just 680's that didn't pass QC. This is also probably why the expected release date of the 660 is so far away.... they're likely building up a stock pile os faulty chips for the 660's as it'll be their most popular choice.
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5/12/12 at 4:10am
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I'm guessing there'll be a greater supply of 670's than 680's but likely not enough to keep them in stock. 670's are likely just 680's that didn't pass QC. This is also probably why the expected release date of the 660 is so far away.... they're likely building up a stock pile os faulty chips for the 660's as it'll be their most popular choice.

Stockpiling doesn't really make any sense since they are losing potential customers if they wait. NV would make more money if they just released a 660 with a faulty chip and sold them as they got chips.

Besides none of us actually has any idea how the supply is at the moment so drawing any conclusions seems pretty pointless.
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5/12/12 at 6:22am
Meh, I see no need to buy neither AMD or Nvidia. My 570 is very good and still being able to max out almost all games at 1920x1200, and if I buy a second one, they will hold for at least 2 more years. By that time there will be much faster cards to choose.

I wonder when DX12 will be coming out though. Windows 9? 10?
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5/12/12 at 6:32am
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The three month honeymoon as sole GPU on the market is over and so is consumers paying premium prices. Just goes to show you the only reason AMD has been price / performance prior was because they coudn't compete on raw performance level. The moment they were the only ball game in town they stuck it to their most loyal customers. Bend over and like it.
Now the 670 officially out (and there is plenty of stock daily on Newegg and various e-tailers) at a higher performance for same price AMD's only position is to lower pricing yet again in hopes to reach the budget minded crowd rather than the performance minded.
Sticks and stone AMD. wink.gif
Check it out there's plenty in stock at Newegg right now and I just radomly looked. Nothing to question but raise doubt prior to the release in hopes of snagging a tiny bit of extra revenue before sales dip.
Don't get me wrong, Nvidia was late and they paid tremendously. Lesson learned to Nvidia for not being out on time and AMD customers who thought AMD wasn't a business and always would provide lower prices. wink.gif

Your statements are so devoid of logic. biggrin.gif AMD HD 7970 is a brilliant card with excellent clock headroom and very good performance scaling.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/10

"The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 had a hand up in performance on the stock Sapphire HD 7970 in every game. The Overclocked Sapphire HD 7970 OC Edition crushed the GeForce GTX 680 though in every game providing the best performance and gameplay experience. " biggrin.gif


AMD reactions are pretty clear already. They are ramping the HD 7970 Ghz edition at 1050 Mhz.

http://www.techpowerup.com/165559/AM...z-Edition.html

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/299...0-a-boost.aspx

Crux of the message

" better yields, average voltage to hit 925 Mhz much lower and 1250 Mhz speeds easily achieved"

AMD needs to clear stock of ref HD 7950 cards at 800 Mhz by pushing their prices to USD 349. Ref HD 7970 (925 Mhz) cards need to be cleared stock by pushing them to USD 449. They need the new product stack to look like this and they are good to go.

Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition (1050 Mhz) - GTX 680
Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition OC (upto 1200 Mhz) - GTX 680 OC
Radeon HD 7950 (900 Mhz ) - GTX 670
Radeon HD 7950 OC (1000 Mhz) - GTX 670 OC

Thats going to wipe the smile of Nvidia fanbois faces biggrin.gif
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Your statements are so devoid of logic. biggrin.gif AMD HD 7970 is a brilliant card with excellent clock headroom and very good performance scaling.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/10
"The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 had a hand up in performance on the stock Sapphire HD 7970 in every game. The Overclocked Sapphire HD 7970 OC Edition crushed the GeForce GTX 680 though in every game providing the best performance and gameplay experience. " biggrin.gif

It seems a bit slanted to use that as a reference when only one side of the fence was OCed. It would make much more sense to link to something like this article on [H]. It looks a lot more like they are pretty close to each other when OCed. Comparing stock cards to OCed cards is just silly if you're trying to prove one card is superior unless it's the non-OCed card that's beating the OCed one.
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11% superior (46.5 vs 41.5).
Don't be so defensive. I said the 680 was the best, I didn't say it was "significantly" better, just better. Also, in every Heaven 3.0 benchmark I've seen the 680 beats the 7970 by ~11%. 11% better is still better, isn't it? The MSI Lightning beat a stock 680 though, so that's cool. OC'd 680 still walks over that though. frown.gif
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It is a beast of a card.

Do you not even go to OCN's benchmark section? The 7970's are DOMINATING the 680 in Heaven:

Official Top 30 Heaven 3.0 Scores

Top single card = 7970
Top Dual cards = 7970's
Top Score overall = 7970's

Instead of making up fake numbers why don't you contribute a Heaven 3.0 score yourself and prove how it "walks over" the 7970's??? thumb.gif
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5/12/12 at 7:21am
Games like BF3aghu78" url="/t/1255246/bson-amd-counter-attacks-geforce-gtx-670-questions-nvidias-kepler-availability/390#post_17218132"]
Lets take performance where it matters - at the most demanding resolutions at the highest game settings. Games like BF3 are easily doing 65 fps+ in BF3 at 1080p maxed out on HD 7970 and GTX 680. Above 60 fps how much does the user have ability to differentiate performance. Whereas at 2560 x 1600 and multi monitor gaming 5760 X 1080 these cards are really pushed to their limits
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1488/pg6/powercolor-pcs-hd7970-vs-gainward-gtx-680-phantom-review-battlefield-3.html
Look at the min fps at 5760 x 1080. 4 fps (25%) . Thats significant. BF3 is a game which Nvidia does relatively better.
If you look at the most bandwidth demanding games like Metro 2033 and Crysis Warhead .
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-review-feat-evga/5
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-review-feat-evga/6
FYI thats a ref HD 7970 (925 Mhz ) against a GTX 680 (1100 Mhz Turbo) in the above charts. Clock for clock the HD 7970 will be much faster. Factory OC versions like MSI HD 7970 Lightning will take the GTX 680 / 670 to the cleaners. smile.gif[/quote]

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