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yea but that's in the UK, and I'm in the US. how can I order it?
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yea but that's in the UK, and I'm in the US. how can I order it?

Search US sites .....


It is available on Amazon US but they charge premium mad.gif

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-mDisplayPort-Graphics-04G-P4-2690-KR/dp/B007ZRO3U4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336840089&sr=8-1

BTW... Amazon UK also has GTX690 in stock ...... and surprisingly they don't overcharge for it , i guess our price of £900 is high enough biggrin.gif

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-N690GTX-P3D4GD5-Graphics-Express-DisplayPort/dp/B00808LI28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336840121&sr=8-1
Edited by RobotDevil666 - 5/12/12 at 9:31am
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Another aspect AMD touched on was the availability of their Southern Islands cards, which is sort of a red herring. It is true AMD's 7000 series graphics cards are more readily available in the market, but the fact of the matter is this has nothing to do with production. Instead the issue is Kepler based graphics cards are in high demand. We have talked to a few retailers and the word from them is Kepler is selling at nearly a 4 to 1 ratio over Southern Islands. This leaves plenty of volume available for AMD, but makes it appear as if Nvidia is lacking the same volume,when this is not necessarily the case
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/Nvidia_GTX_670/16.html

That is an interesting statement. I would love to see what the actual sales numbers are, because that does not tell the whole story. One response would be that of course Kepler is outselling SI; it is new. I'm willing to bet that shortly after launch BD outsold SB during the same time period.

I'm not doubting that Kepler will outsell SI, it is very likely, but unless they are comparing to sales volumes of SI at the same point after launch then the statement is pretty meaningless.



Regardless, AMD's line is still true - they do have better availability (at least in the US) - but that doesn't tell the whole story either.

Lets say company x has

Demand - 1 unit / day
Supply - 2 units / day

They could be said to have good availability - they can meet demand and also hold some inventory in stock.

Company y has

Demand - 2,000,000 units / day
Supply - 1,000,000 units / day

They could be said to have poor availability as they cannot supply the demand.

Even though company y massively outsells company x, and therefore is more successful in terms of sales volume, they have poor availability. Volume of sales is not important when discussing availability.

Semantics I know, and cue flaming from people who don't understand that what I am saying is actually neither pro AMD or nVidia.
Edited by GingerJohn - 5/12/12 at 9:37am
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Search US sites .....
It is available on Amazon US but they charge premium mad.gif
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-mDisplayPort-Graphics-04G-P4-2690-KR/dp/B007ZRO3U4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336840089&sr=8-1
BTW... Amazon UK also has GTX690 in stock ...... and surprisingly they don't overcharge for it , i guess our price of £900 is high enough biggrin.gif
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-N690GTX-P3D4GD5-Graphics-Express-DisplayPort/dp/B00808LI28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336840121&sr=8-1

That's not amazon, that are just private people selling 690s for $1500 to make profit. And I can't buy from amazon.uk cause they can't ship to US. You have to be in the UK to buy that. Basically ther's none 690s in the US right now.
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It seems a bit slanted to use that as a reference when only one side of the fence was OCed. It would make much more sense to link to something like this article on [H]. It looks a lot more like they are pretty close to each other when OCed. Comparing stock cards to OCed cards is just silly if you're trying to prove one card is superior unless it's the non-OCed card that's beating the OCed one.


My post was in response to people here posting that GTX 670 is faster than HD 7970 .That is a statement far from the truth. I have stated my opinion that when GTX 680 and HD 7970 are both OC'd the HD 7970 wins more than loses. Most of HD 7970 wins come in the most demanding games like Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Alan Wake, The Witcher 2, Anno 2070. In BF3 HD 7970 ties the GTX 680 when both are OC'd. GTX 680's wins are Batman Arkham city, Skyrim. Skyrim does 80+ fps on both cards. I don't see much how somebody can tell any difference at at such high fps.

Batman Arkham City is a TWIMTBP title and I have my own opinions about the DX11 features implemented in that game. The DX 11 features implementation was a crude patch and more of an after thought. Its not done in a manner which is consistent and well integrated like BF3.

But it would also be better if I quote a website

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/12/13/batman_arkham_city_directx_11_performance_iq_review/5

"Deus Ex: Human Revolution used tessellation to improve the organic appearance of characters, both played and non-player. Since at least one character (Jensen) was always visible at any given time, tessellation was easy to appreciate, and it made a consistent difference. Instead of blocky polygonized characters, we had smooth, curvy, organic looking people. Batman: Arkham City is not so fortunate a title. Tessellation can be spotted all over the game, but we still have relatively stiff, blocky looking characters. In particular, the random innumerable thugs who prowl the streets sometimes seem like Lego men. Batman himself is exquisitely modeled, but even Catwoman has some too-straight lines. "

Tessellation is actually a lot cooler in this game than we originally reported, but is limited in scope. It adds some nice effects here and there, but as it is implemented in Arkham City, it is definitely not a game-changer. As we stated previously, PhysX has a greater effect on the gameplay experience in this particular game, than the DX11 features as implemented do."
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You know, I can't believe people is actually waiting for a 670gtx in volumes.
Look, Nvidia Launched 690gtx before 670gtx because you need "harvested" (aka. Defective) 680's to make 'em but how in the world do you make 670's when you cannot manufacturate 680's reliably?
So yeah, of course, you use the few chips you can get manufactured to make a higher end card and charge a premium for it.
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You know, I can't believe people is actually waiting for a 670gtx in volumes.
Look, Nvidia Launched 690gtx before 670gtx because you need "harvested" (aka. Defective) 680's to make 'em but how in the world do you make 670's when you cannot manufacturate 680's reliably?
So yeah, of course, you use the few chips you can get manufactured to make a higher end card and charge a premium for it.

Considering that every other GPU generation ever has not followed this path, your argument is invalid.
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You only need to stop talking a lot

I said in Crysis Warhead and Metro 2033 it will take it to the cleaners.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/18
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-guide/12

HD 7970 (1125 Mhz) - 49
GTX 680 (1137 / 1267 boost) - 41

In BF3 HD 7970 and GTX 680 will tie when they are both clocked to their max.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

HD 7970 OC (1280 Mhz ) - avg 50.7 fps min 34 fps
GTX 680 (1100 turbo) - avg 42.9 fps min 25 fps

A GTX 680 OC to 1.3 Ghz will tie a HD 7970 OC (1280 Mhz) . And I can understand your ego is hurt from the Metro 2033 charts tongue.gif


I guess its you who needs to stop telling people what to do. biggrin.gif
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You know they are right, Nvidia launched with almost no availability and as of right now, 5/12/2012, Newegg has ZERO stock on any GTX680 and only three models of the gtx670 in stock. It has been like that since launch. I know people who gave up waiting and bought the very capable 7970, which when fully overclocked is very competitive with the gtx 680 anyway.
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I wonder why AMD is taking forever to come out with the 7990? I wonder if they are having heat problems and/or trying to tweak it as best as possible to beat the GTX 690. Taking some 6+ months after the 7970 released to come out with the 7990 is a bit odd.

I wouldn't worry. All this means is that they've spent some time tweaking the gpu. Most likely, lowering power requirements and tweaking the core. Its also possible they've been using the past few months to build supply. their 28nm process is much better and more available than Nvidia, so having a large quantity of stock at launch would be a major hit to nvidia's high end cards.
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