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We should make one thread to rule them all for this. official "amd vs nvidia pissing contenst" and we can all just get it off our chests, seriously so funny how every single news thread with amd or nvidia turns into one.

Both flagships are awsome imo, this did come across as kind of a snyde statment to me but it is the truth for the us anyways. In the uk tho there is plenty of stock of the 680 and there has been since launch here.

Really imo it is w/e is cheaper or w/e brand you prefer that wins. It will always be subjective even tho there are benches.
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Another aspect AMD touched on was the availability of their Southern Islands cards, which is sort of a red herring. It is true AMD's 7000 series graphics cards are more readily available in the market, but the fact of the matter is this has nothing to do with production. Instead the issue is Kepler based graphics cards are in high demand. We have talked to a few retailers and the word from them is Kepler is selling at nearly a 4 to 1 ratio over Southern Islands. This leaves plenty of volume available for AMD, but makes it appear as if Nvidia is lacking the same volume,when this is not necessarily the case
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/Nvidia_GTX_670/16.html

See, now that's some interesting stuff. All this 7970 vs. 680/670 crap is getting old. At this point, the performance of all the high end cards is so relative that people are just wasting their breath arguing back and forth about the same points over and over. "But my card is better in Metro!" "But my card is $80 cheaper!"

Honestly, ALL the cards are relatively comparable at the high end segment. What one chooses to buy and how one chooses to use it and how one chooses to justify it as being a better product is up to that individual. OCN is increasingly becoming more and more filled with people that for some reason feel the need to justify what they have over what someone else has.
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That is an interesting statement. I would love to see what the actual sales numbers are, because that does not tell the whole story. One response would be that of course Kepler is outselling SI; it is new. I'm willing to bet that shortly after launch BD outsold SB during the same time period.
I'm not doubting that Kepler will outsell SI, it is very likely, but unless they are comparing to sales volumes of SI at the same point after launch then the statement is pretty meaningless.
Regardless, AMD's line is still true - they do have better availability (at least in the US) - but that doesn't tell the whole story either.
Lets say company x has
Demand - 1 unit / day
Supply - 2 units / day
They could be said to have good availability - they can meet demand and also hold some inventory in stock.
Company y has
Demand - 2,000,000 units / day
Supply - 1,000,000 units / day
They could be said to have poor availability as they cannot supply the demand.
Even though company y massively outsells company x, and therefore is more successful in terms of sales volume, they have poor availability. Volume of sales is not important when discussing availability.
Semantics I know, and cue flaming from people who don't understand that what I am saying is actually neither pro AMD or nVidia.

I think you said it pretty well; even if Nvidia is outselling AMD *currently* (we don't know this, and no one ever will until the numbers are all added up 3 quarters from now), the fact remains that availability is poor, period. But I think the article also reinforces the notion that, regardless of what the product is, if people are not lining up to buy it, it has NO REASON to be flying off the shelves. Period. No reason whatsoever.

Another thing is, if Kepler is supposedly outselling SI by a 4-to-1 ratio at some retail locations, doesn't that mean that there are virtually little-to-no sales of SI? Before anyone gets excited here, think about what I said for a minute. Everyone and their mom loves to argue that Kepler is impossible to find. Almost as if it doesn't even exist. Fair enough. Now, if that were the case, and a virtually non-existent product is outselling SI by a margin of 4-to-1 - does this necessarily mean that SI is BARELY selling AT ALL? Yeah, I didn't think too many people would agree with that so much. Yet how are people so quick to dismiss the idea that demand for Kepler is too high to keep up the supply? The logic is completely consistent in both regards here.

Yes, Kepler is new, and yes, it makes sense that it may sell more for that reason. Which kind of defeats the argument that AMD is using about having product volume, because their product has already been out on the market for a few months and thus availability is OF COURSE expected to be good, compared to something that launches months later. Regardless, I eagerly await the day total sales volume information is released, with how sales was at the time of the SI launch up to a year later, and vice versa with Kepler. Very interested to see which side sold more in the end. smile.gif
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Very interested to see which side sold more in the end. smile.gif

Probably Nvidia. AMD threw high volume sales in the garbage months ago, when they decided they'd price things relative to last generation's performance. Plus, the fanboy is strong on the Nvidia side of things. There are a lot of users that purchase Nvidia because of their experience from years ago when they practically had a monopoly on things. The "drivers suck" hivemind doesn't help either.
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Probably Nvidia. AMD threw high volume sales in the garbage months ago, when they decided they'd price things relative to last generation's performance. Plus, the fanboy is strong on the Nvidia side of things. There are a lot of users that purchase Nvidia because of their experience from years ago when they practically had a monopoly on things. The "drivers suck" hivemind doesn't help either.

No offense, but throwing out the line, "the fanboy is strong on the Nvidia side of things" doesn't exactly speak well to the point you're trying to make. In fact, it almost completely obliterates any point you were trying to get across in your statement. You're just feeding the fire for others to jump in say the same thing about people who buy AMD just because of what you said. I mean, could you honestly say that you do not, in one way or another, defend AMD in a majority of threads that end up becoming Nvidia vs. AMD? Honest question there.

Not only that, but you're pretty much blanketing and categorizing a lot of people that buy Nvidia, assuming that they only buy Nvidia primarily for the reasons you mentioned (either everyone is a fanboy, or it's because they support monopolies). The only people that know why they buy certain things is that particular individual. You and I are in no position to make blanket statements about what people buy.

See, this is the kind of crap that is getting old on OCN. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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No offense, but throwing out the line, "the fanboy is strong on the Nvidia side of things" doesn't exactly speak well to the point you're trying to make. In fact, it almost completely obliterates any point you were trying to get across in your statement. You're just feeding the fire for others to jump in say the same thing about people who buy AMD just because of what you said. I mean, could you honestly say that you do not, in one way or another, defend AMD in a majority of threads that end up becoming Nvidia vs. AMD? Honest question there.
Not only that, but you're pretty much blanketing and categorizing a lot of people that buy Nvidia, assuming that they only buy Nvidia primarily for the reasons you mentioned (either everyone is a fanboy, or it's because they support monopolies). The only people that know why they buy certain things is that particular individual. You and I are in no position to make blanket statements about what people buy.
See, this is the kind of crap that is getting old on OCN. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Where did I say that everyone that buys Nvidia cards is a fanboy? I didn't. I simply suggested that there was perhaps a larger percentage. You're the one that's turned this into a black-and-white categorization.

I tend to prefer AMD because they tend to be the better performance per dollar alternative. I also prefer AMD because they're a bigger supporter of open standards, whereas Nvidia pushes proprietary bullcrap. However, I'll buy whatever suits my needs best. Since I game, that's going to be whatever's the best for whatever my budget is. Right now, none of the options from either company are appealing, knowing quite well that the profit margins on the cards are too high.

However, the reason why I "defend" AMD is because of the sheer amount of ignorance that people have. I'd be happy to do the same for Nvidia, but the vast majority of comments made are baseless attacks on AMD. If things were the other way, with AMD users constantly bashing Nvidia all day, you'd see me defending Nvidia frequently. But that doesn't happen.
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Check out a bunch of my older posts. I had two 580 Lightnings and was a huge Nvidia fanboy but I decided to give AMD a shot with the 7970's because they really are great cards. Sometimes even fanboys can be fair. I think all of the high end cards this generation are comparable and very good! Certainly nothing like last gen where there was no question that the 580 was the King...
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Performance King maybe, but I would still say the 6950 was the best high end card for your dollar.
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Performance King maybe, but I would still say the 6950 was the best high end card for your dollar.

Maybe in multi-card configurations. Otherwise, it was no better than a 5870.
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Performance King maybe, but I would still say the 6950 was the best high end card for your dollar.

No, 6950 was £200 and the gtx 570 was about £250+ and I got the 6970 for £227 still have the recipt from over a year ago. The 6970 was by far the best for your money yeye I know you could unlock 6950s blah but still.
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Check out a bunch of my older posts. I had two 580 Lightnings and was a huge Nvidia fanboy but I decided to give AMD a shot with the 7970's because they really are great cards. Sometimes even fanboys can be fair. I think all of the high end cards this generation are comparable and very good! Certainly nothing like last gen where there was no question that the 580 was the King...

Same. I'm an nvidia fanboy too, but for me it's just because of the phys-X. But I'm more in likely gonna roll with 7970's in my new build.
    
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