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5/9/12 at 11:01pm
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No, I'm painting you off as someone who acts like an authority because of 4 years of "following this stuff."

Not an authority, but following the industry for practically everyday for 4 years straight isn't a novice. Sorry you thought my suggestion of Nvidia in the high end was absurd and that by knowing about technology from 30 years ago relates to this situation. If thats the case Atari rules thumb.gif
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5/9/12 at 11:01pm
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I am stuck with deciding between nVidia and AMD.
I hate nVidia for making game developers use PhysX instead of having the Physics be handled by the CPU (hey, at least that way we could see Enthusiast CPU's get stressed some under Gaming). The re-branding of their cards and a small bump in specs is terrible aswell (where is GK110?). For these reason, I was happy the 5870 HD was untouchable by nVidia so I had no problems buying one.
Now the problem I have wtih AMD is their 7970 performs under that of 680 GTX and not $20 less in performance value. For people using 1 monitor, there is no upside of owning a 7970 over a 680 GTX. Unless AMD drops their 7970 to $450, I just can't see myself buying AMD over nVidia. Sure, I hate the existence of PhysX, but I also hate spending top dollar on a Graphics Card and not being able to activate every feature.
Oh well, with Diablo III about to be released and my 5870 being able to handle it no issues, I have tons of time to think about what I shall do.

I will make it simple for you

ATI in the low and mid range, Nvidia in the high end.

You have a better chance of games working better with Nvidia drivers than ATI, especially a new game.

I have followed this stuff since 2008 and its been like that for years. The 5870 found the right niche at the right time, even it had driver issues with some games.

This is only true for multi gpu setups. Single card is fine and problems are usually the users fault
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5/9/12 at 11:06pm
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Not an authority, but following the industry for practically everyday for 4 years straight isn't a novice. Sorry you thought my suggestion of Nvidia in the high end was absurd and that by knowing about technology from 30 years ago relates to this situation. If thats the case Atari rules thumb.gif

Check my edit. I'm not talking about technology from 30 years ago, I'm talking about watching trends for more than 4 years.

I'm not talking about high end or low end, either. The two companies' release cycles are so out-of-sync, I don't know how anyone could say one company is better at high-end than another. Seems to switch every 3 months...

By the way, I only brought up the drivers.
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The gtx 680 is not impossible to find. You can buy a PNY 680 at Dell.com for $50 CHEAPER than newegg.

Yeap bought mine at Dell.com for $529. Actually got it free due to a order mix up.
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5/9/12 at 11:13pm
this is true. i haven't seen a single gtx 680 in stock since they released. granted, i don't camp out at my pc hitting the heck out of my f5 button, but supplies for these nvidia cards have been a joke. i have been really happy with my 7950. consumes little power and overclocks nicely. also, you can get one easily. now, pricing may be a little off, but why should amd lower prices when nvidia can't keep their products on the shelves? more performance is irrelevant if you can never get one and are in the market for a new gpu.
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5/9/12 at 11:15pm
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I'm not talking about high end or low end, either. The two companies' release cycles are so out-of-sync, I don't know how anyone could say one company is better a high-end than another. Seems to switch every 3 months... By the way, I only brought up the drivers.

The debate wasn't one company better than another. The debate is, the probability of a brand new game that just came out yesterday, no new drivers, is most likely going to have less issues with Nvidia when running on ultra settings than with ATI's equiv. This will not be the case forever just in the foreseeable future

and personally I think Nvidia is a joke in the lower to mid sector as ATI/AMD solution is so much better and cheaper.

But for brute power, the cutting edge, I am going for Nvidia based on the market trend I have seen the last 4 years.

and by cutting edge, ATI gets out more stuff faster because of their own tick-tock, but Nvidia's new arch's are usually super impressive and become industry standard for years to come, look at the 8800GT.

And yes I remember the ATI Radeon 9 series, it was epic, but that was way before AMD was involved with ATI.
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5/9/12 at 11:16pm
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http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/30dayshare.html
Here is one measure of who has the highest market share, Nvidia of course does based off this.
Nvidia and AMD did swap the crown on and off from about May of 2011 to February of this year, Nvidia taking the crown back and currently holding it.
As for issues, well a really prominent one right now is Catalyst 12.4 not fully supporting Diablo III, especially on the 5xxx series and older cards. Considering how big D3 is and how many people still have a 4xxx and 5xxx series card, that is a pretty damn big deal. Especially considering that Catalyst 12.2 and 12.3 did support it, AMD simply botched 12.4.

AMD does have the market share based of this AMD Grabbed GPU Market Share from Nvidia, Intel in Q4
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5/9/12 at 11:23pm
It's strange. The AMD camp of this forum who's so used to waiting for.. Ahem ahem Bulldozer, telling people to go out and buy something you don't have to wait for.

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5/9/12 at 11:23pm
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The debate wasn't one company better than another. The debate is, the probability of a brand new game that just came out yesterday, no new drivers, is most likely going to have less issues with Nvidia when running on ultra settings than with ATI's equiv.
and personally I think Nvidia is a joke in the lower to mid sector as ATI/AMD solution is so much better and cheaper.
But for brute power, the cutting edge, I am going for Nvidia based on the market trend I have seen the last 4 years.

I'm aware that the debate wasn't about one company being better or the other. I was simply saying that the drivers between the company switch from good to bad very evenly. Drivers really shouldn't be all that relevant to a purchase in my opinion, since they are a) free and b) change constantly. A good release driver could be followed by a bad one, and vice versa.

I'm not really sure why nVidia doesn't get more heat for their bad driver releases than they do. Hell, it took them forever to fix the issues they were having with performance on the Frostbite 2 engine. It's a weird paradigm that's seems to be hanging around this forum as of late.

But anyway... yeah. Moving right along.
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5/9/12 at 11:25pm
Really sad to see them reaching like this. Stop fluffing and living in nvidias shadow and bring out the 7990 already, or wait! They can't even stabalize the 7970's drivers how are they going to stabalize a dual gpu.
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