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I mean case or screen repairs. Also, they have poor cooling.

Screen repairs are not more expensive than any other laptop and can be done while you wait..\

Poor cooling is relative, they feel hotter because of the metal case, but they run not hotter than any others of their size.
 
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post #132 of 181
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Poor cooling is relative, they feel hotter because of the metal case, but they run not hotter than any others of their size.

Wut? The whole laptop is a heatsink. The reason plastic laptops don't feel as hot is the same reason CPU heatsinks aren't made of plastic. My moms laptop (Asus something or other but it has a Pentium SB @2.2GHz) CPU runs at 55-60C under normal use (web browsing and causal web and flash games) where as 2010-2011 MacBook I said I borrowed ran at 40-50C with Minecraft running but the case did feel a lot hotter because it's metal and not plastic.
    
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Wut? The whole laptop is a heatsink. The reason plastic laptops don't feel as hot is the same reason CPU heatsinks aren't made of plastic. My moms laptop (Asus something or other but it has a Pentium SB @2.2GHz) CPU runs at 55-60C under normal use (web browsing and causal web and flash games) where as 2010-2011 MacBook I said I borrowed ran at 40-50C with Minecraft running but the case did feel a lot hotter because it's metal and not plastic.

I am talking specifically about the model with the 6770m and quad core, and cpu and gpu taxing situations, like say playing bf3. Light gaming and everyday usage is not what I'm talking about.
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Apple has always done it first because they're a premium PC manufacturer with a large cult following. Steve Jobs could have defecated in a bag with an Apple logo on it and it would be praised as "brilliant" and "innovative". Apple is able to push those kinds of boundaries because they know that no matter what people will buy their product. The other companies... not so much.
That doesn't mean they aren't still innovating, its just that much of what they product never reaches the consumer. They show most of their stuff off at CES, months before Apple reveals their similar products. CES had Android tablets before anyone even knew whether Apple's new tablet was going to be the iPad or a $1000+ touch screen Macbook.
eg. In 2007, a full year before Apple unveiled the original Macbook Air, Intel created this "Metro" concept:

VoodooPC(one of the few premium PC vendors aside from Apple) used this for the basis of their Envy 133:
(Oh and for the record the Envy 133 was still .06" thinner than the Air that came out half a year layer.
And lets not forget this little gem, whichLook familiar?
The only difference between these laptops and Apples is that they didn't have hundreds of fanatics queuing up to pay thousands of dollars on launch day just so they could have the latest accessory from Sharp or Voodoo.

You forgot the Sony X505

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post #135 of 181
That looks like a Macbook Air knockoff to me.

This guy is full of BS and everyone knows what that laptop was meant to look like.
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http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/images/celebritology/09/scarjo_mm.jpg
I am sure Marilyn Monroe was not the only woman with curly blond hair and red lips either, but she sure made that look incredibly popular.
Same case here, everyone will look at the HP Envy line and think Apple Macbook

This is completely false in relation to Apple. Apple is a Marylin Monroe, not the Monroe.

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The HP Envy 133 came out a year before the Macbook Air launched; the Sony X505 four years before the Air.

Tell me again, how is the Air innovative? Innovating in fooling everyone into thinking its innovative perhaps? Yeah, Apple has a revolutionary reality distortion field. Heck, it isn't even Apple's fault, for the most part, but the fault of their fans.
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post #137 of 181
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That looks like a Macbook Air knockoff to me.
This guy is full of BS and everyone knows what that laptop was meant to look like.

What, the X505? Its from 2004. The MBA is a knockoff of a Sony X505 using a HP color scheme, with OSX on it. Or so that's what all the examples in this thread suggest when brought together.
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Okay, this is a discussion based around HP's design decisions, not an empty reservoir to fill up with your undergraduate philosophy/economics knowledge faucet.
That being said...
As someone who has never (and probably will never) purchase an Apple product, everyone should at least give credit where credit is due. Apple has, for all intents and purposes, created a very desirable laptop which is both aesthetically pleasing and extremely functional. No, they didn't create black and silver color combinations or chiclet keys, but what they did do is bring it all together to create a great product. You must look at the product holistically, as their laptops are an amalgamation of a lot of nuanced things done right in dozens of laptops. We are all kidding ourselves that, had a Windows OEM created the macbook look before Apple did, we wouldn't all be gushing on and one about how awesome and amazing it is.
However, I think HP is right in their statement. It is obvious that some of the things Apple has done with their laptop (chiclet keys, backlit keyboard, light weight metal construction, high quality screens, good trackpads, good aesthetics) are where things are headed. Similar to how cars became more rounded, phones became smaller (but are now becoming bigger), and Analog sticks supplanted the D-pad in controllers, one companies innovation led to universal evolution. I think HP has created a new product which is converging with these new design principles but has also made it a unique device. No one (barring contenders for Darwin Awards) will ever spend $1000 on a laptop thinking it's a Mac when it's actually an HP. That simply doesn't happen. It seems to me like most people (in this context, Apple fans) who decry HP and others for essentially making better looking laptops are a little nonplussed over the fact that they paid a price premium for an equally aesthetically pleasing laptop with mediocre specs. Anyone who doesn't see the universal benefit of cheaper, good looking laptops with better specs is clearly polarized to one side already and possesses zealot-like fanaticism (as if the corporation one supports actually owes you anything and is inherently better than the other corporation one hates).
As a final note, I'd like to point out that not every OEM is rushing to copy Apple (or vice versa). It obviously makes business sense to see how the public reacts to any sort of innovation another company puts out and to either create their own iteration of said innovation (if it's good) or laugh and malign it (if it's bad). The original MacBook Air was a terrible piece of technology - slow, hot, and terrible battery life. Now, with the advent of ULV Intel processors engendering realistic adaptions of ultrathins, it makes much more economic and business sense to create an ultrathin laptop. Similarly, Apple once used PowerPC architecture (now they obviously don't), and Apple once said that no one would ever want/nor would they ever create a phone bigger than 3.5' (which is not only wrong, but their have been many rumors speculating they will create a bigger iPhone).
TL;DR The laptop is following the current design trends while being unique enough. Deal with it.

Where are the stickers and how do i give this man one ?

Was going to make a comment giving my opinion but this man as said it all. /thread

I think that because apple have stumbled upon a functional version of a product it does not make it theirs to patent. The world of computing would be a lot different if someone had patented the version of a mouse with a roller in the middle and 2 keys. Every other company would of spent there time making worse, less practical versions.

Just my 2c
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Poor cooling is relative, they feel hotter because of the metal case, but they run not hotter than any others of their size.

Wut? The whole laptop is a heatsink. The reason plastic laptops don't feel as hot is the same reason CPU heatsinks aren't made of plastic. My moms laptop (Asus something or other but it has a Pentium SB @2.2GHz) CPU runs at 55-60C under normal use (web browsing and causal web and flash games) where as 2010-2011 MacBook I said I borrowed ran at 40-50C with Minecraft running but the case did feel a lot hotter because it's metal and not plastic.

I think you read that wrong. He was saying the exact thing you just did and was agreeing with you. I think his wording threw you off, specifically the "they run not hotter than" part. In other words, he was saying the do not run as hot and they feel hotter because the case is metal and acts as one giant heatsink. Pretty much what you said verbatim smile.gif
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Apple's over-patent is a little annoying.
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