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Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy. Great artists steal."
Pablo Picasso: "Bad artists copy. Great artists steal."
T.S. Elliot: "Immature poets copy; mature poets steal."
Why does Steve Jobs get credit for this quote? Apple-distortion field.

Based on the quotes, probably because he was a great artist redface.gif
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Based on the quotes, probably because he was a great artist redface.gif

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Apple has always done it first because they're a premium PC manufacturer with a large cult following. Steve Jobs could have defecated in a bag with an Apple logo on it and it would be praised as "brilliant" and "innovative". Apple is able to push those kinds of boundaries because they know that no matter what people will buy their product. The other companies... not so much.

That doesn't mean they aren't still innovating, its just that much of what they product never reaches the consumer. They show most of their stuff off at CES, months before Apple reveals their similar products. CES had Android tablets before anyone even knew whether Apple's new tablet was going to be the iPad or a $1000+ touch screen Macbook.

eg. In 2007, a full year before Apple unveiled the original Macbook Air, Intel created this "Metro" concept:


VoodooPC(one of the few premium PC vendors aside from Apple) used this for the basis of their Envy 133:

(Oh and for the record the Envy 133 was still .06" thinner than the Air that came out half a year layer.

And lets not forget this little gem, which Sharp released in 2003!

Look familiar?


The only difference between these laptops and Apples is that they didn't have hundreds of fanatics queuing up to pay thousands of dollars on launch day just so they could have the latest accessory from Sharp or Voodoo.
If Apple started selling junk products then people will stop buying them. You're correct that they have a huge following but that's because they consistently produce devices which millions of people like, and since they release such devices each year, millions line up to buy them. Just because some people think those devices are useless doesn't mean those consumers are blindly purchasing a product.
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Not as good as Banksy tho biggrin.gif
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Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy. Great artists steal."
Pablo Picasso: "Bad artists copy. Great artists steal."
T.S. Elliot: "Immature poets copy; mature poets steal."
Why does Steve Jobs get credit for this quote? Apple-distortion field.
Probably because he was the only one to try to spin it as an acceptable thing?
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Not as good as Banksy tho biggrin.gif

LOL

I think people get confused between Apple "doing it first," and Apple "revolutionizing" things. Apple has very rarely "done it first." Probably the only times in Apple's history of a company of "doing it first" was the inception of the "first" personal computer that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak built in their garage when they were teenagers. After that, after Apple became a larger company, there's really nothing more than just taking existing technology, tweaking it (usually aesthetically) and marketing it to make it popular. It's just the sad truth that people don't always know that just because something became popular doesn't mean it was the first thing to exist. I bet if you ask people these days what the first mp3 player was, or what the first smartphone was, you'll get a lot of responses with ipod and iphone. It's not correct, but it's a matter of perception (and lack of understanding).

As nathris showed, the general form-factor of the Macbook Air is nothing new, only made popular and advertised by Apple. If other companies are mimicking what the Macbook Air looks like, it's only our poor understanding/familiarity with historical products for thinking so.
    
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I agree with that, but the problem is Apple imitates and improves existing products, they then patent the technology and attempt to prevent others from selling similar products.

That in a nutshell is why Apple is disliked so much around here.
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I agree with that, but the problem is Apple imitates and improves existing products, they then patent the technology and attempt to prevent others from selling similar products.
That in a nutshell is why Apple is disliked so much around here.
That I agree with.

But what people also don't appreciate is that just because Apple might have, say, patents relating to the design of their Air, it doesn't preclude similar-but-different designs of ultrabooks. It's our projection of that behavior based on things like the absurd apple/samsung/motorola cases.
    
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I see what he did there.
    
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This is a blatant Apple Air copy. Of all colors they could use they had to choose black and silver. HP is asking for it.

It's seems like after Steve Jobs the tech industry lost all innovation. Just rehash after rehash.
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I really don't see any similarities other than they're all computers.

That's the problem, if all people thought like you did, there would be no innovation in this world.
 
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This is a blatant Apple Air copy. Of all colors they could use they had to choose black and silver. HP is asking for it.
It's seems like after Steve Jobs the tech industry lost all innovation. Just rehash after rehash.
That's the problem, if all people thought like you did, there would be no innovation in this world.

This pre-assumes that Apple originated the general designs--which it did not. See nathris' post a bit back (edit, here http://www.overclock.net/t/1255307/vr-zone-hps-steve-wolff-dismisses-claims-of-imitation-says-apple-doesnt-own-silver/60#post_17209442 /edit), enumerating laptops/notebooks well predating the Air that had the same design characteristics. Apple has rarely innovated as much as it has revolutionized the popularity of something.
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