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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post

This pre-assumes that Apple originated the general designs--which it did not. See nathris' post a bit back (edit, here http://www.overclock.net/t/1255307/vr-zone-hps-steve-wolff-dismisses-claims-of-imitation-says-apple-doesnt-own-silver/60#post_17209442 /edit), enumerating laptops/notebooks well predating the Air that had the same design characteristics. Apple has rarely innovated as much as it has revolutionized the popularity of something.

Why does it matter? The consumer doesn't care who came up with the original design, this isn't a art piece.

People associate this design with Apple and this is a blatant copy on HP's part. You people on this thread can give all the facts and history lessons you want, but the bottom line is, the average consumer will not and do not care.

When I drive a Porsche do you think I care about where and how Porsche got it's design? (from the Volkswagon Beetle btw.)

All I care about is that it's a Porsche, I'm going to associate Porsche with Porsche I'm not going to drive a Porsche thinking it's a Beetle.

So when I see a laptop that's black and silver aluminum, I'm going to think this is a Apple copy.

It's always been about who made it popular, not who's the original designer.

PC people are always butthurt when it comes to Apple status and popularity.
 
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Why does it matter? The consumer doesn't care who came up with the original design, this isn't a art piece.
People associate this design with Apple and this is a blatant copy on HP's part. You people on this thread can give all the facts and history lessons you want, but the bottom line is, the average consumer will not and do not care.
When I drive a Porsche do you think I care about where and how Porsche got it's design? (from the Volkswagon Beetle btw.)
All I care about is that it's a Porsche, I'm going to associate Porsche with Porsche I'm not going to drive a Porsche thinking it's a Beetle.
So when I see a laptop that's black and silver aluminum, I'm going to think this is a Apple copy.
It's always been about who made it popular, not who's the original designer.
PC people are always butthurt when it comes to Apple status and popularity.

So one chooses to ignore historical precedent in order to allow someone ownership of something that they didn't even invent first place? Yep, makes sense to me.
    
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Originally Posted by kikkO View Post

Why does it matter? The consumer doesn't care who came up with the original design, this isn't a art piece.
People associate this design with Apple and this is a blatant copy on HP's part. You people on this thread can give all the facts and history lessons you want, but the bottom line is, the average consumer will not and do not care.
When I drive a Porsche do you think I care about where and how Porsche got it's design? (from the Volkswagon Beetle btw.)
All I care about is that it's a Porsche, I'm going to associate Porsche with Porsche I'm not going to drive a Porsche thinking it's a Beetle.
So when I see a laptop that's black and silver aluminum, I'm going to think this is a Apple copy.
It's always been about who made it popular, not who's the original designer.
PC people are always butthurt when it comes to Apple status and popularity.

*looks incredulously*

Are you really attempting to say that Apple has rights to The Most Fundamental color scheme yet discovered?
Are you really attempting to say that the original designers aren't entitled to create derivatives of their designs, yet other company's designers are entitled?
Are you saying that consumer's brand recognition "ability" (one that exists only because of constant 30 second school sessions via TV ads) are of more importance than all companies using old, fundamental designs to give those consumers what they desire?

If consumers instantly associate a stock color set or basic design with a company, then those consumers are ignorant. That's solely the fault of the consumer for making NO attempt to become informed before shelling out $1000+ of their hard earned cash.
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Another Steve?

Jobs, Wozniak, Ballmer, Elop...and now Wolff.

Seems like Steve is THE name one should have to be successful in the tech industry.
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If consumers instantly associate a stock color set or basic design with a company, then those consumers are ignorant. That's solely the fault of the consumer for making NO attempt to become informed before shelling out $1000+ of their hard earned cash.

That's a interesting argument. Blame the consumer for ignorance. You think Apple will be a half trillion dollar company it is today if all it's customers where informed? If all consumers were informed many companies in the US would go out of business.
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So one chooses to ignore historical precedent in order to allow someone ownership of something that they didn't even invent first place? Yep, makes sense to me.

That's a cute idea, cute, but not how the world works.
 
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It has differences, but to say apple created the form factor is a gross overstatement

FTFY
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sure.
and HP just couldn't design their keyboards any differently either.
and the touchpad being buttonless and looking extremely similar couldn't be helped.
What's funny is, the stuff they rush to copy is garbage. the keyboard on macbooks is awful. I personally can't stand their touchpads either, some people love them though.
Apple shouldn't be allowed to "own silver", but owning the combination of an aluminum laptop, particular keyboard style, and particular touchpad style sounds a lot more reasonable to me.
This one does have some differences, but HP is actually saying that they didn't blatantly copy large chunks of Apple's design? Don't believe it.

Exactly. They are trying as much as possible to make their products look like Apple's design because they're popular. That's it that's all.
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Here is a photo I just took: You tell me what it looks like..... I don't care if it is imitation, but seriously...

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Uh, two different laptops that are the same color. Did Apple patent Silver and Black? Last I checked the Raiders have had that as their team uniforms far longer than Apple used it in their products.

I wonder, maybe the NFL should sue Apple over this..

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Here is a photo I just took: You tell me what it looks like..... I don't care if it is imitation, but seriously...
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that keyboard looks painful to type on.
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