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post #101 of 106
5/12/12 at 11:38am
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It kind of is. Read how I even got onto the subject. It's not about needing an extremely fast CPU its the fact this thing is £20 cheaper than the cheapest desktop A series. I've already said that if you were going to crossfire then the APU'S viable but not exactly the best solution for future proofing because the CPU is weak.
It comes back to the fact that it's £20 cheaper but a great margin better.
People using their computer for office and Web browsing don't need the APU power, so don't need to spend £20 more for a weaker cpu and better GPU. Intel has the budget upper hand there in that situation.
So are you saying it makes sense to spend £20 more on a CPU that is worse? It's not about needing the fastest possible CPU for office work its the price. £30 and it's much better than the APU chips. Office workers and none gamers don't need the GPU in the APU'S.
For gaming? This ^

"Future Proofing" is a silly argument. Everyone, including corporations, should buy for what they need right now.

The R series APUs are not likely going to find themselves in offices and business's. These are consumer parts meant for consumer laptops. The people who want the more powerful graphics will buy it. The people who want a cheaper modern laptop will buy it. Its really that simple.

Arguing over it is pointless. You don't think its a good value. Someone else might. The majority of people who will buy it will have no clue as to the difference either way.
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5/12/12 at 11:47am
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"Future Proofing" is a silly argument. Everyone, including corporations, should buy for what they need right now.
The R series APUs are not likely going to find themselves in offices and business's. These are consumer parts meant for consumer laptops. The people who want the more powerful graphics will buy it. The people who want a cheaper modern laptop will buy it. Its really that simple.
Arguing over it is pointless. You don't think its a good value. Someone else might. The majority of people who will buy it will have no clue as to the difference either way.

I'm not talking about the R-series APU's anyway, nor laptops.

If I were talking about APU laptops then they would be the best choice AND value, imho because they consume less power than Intel laptops and are much cheaper while still offering a decently powered CPU. Like this APU that doesn't perform anything ear it's desktop counterpart. It's a great chip and the laptops it features in are around £399. Nearest in performance are the i3-380m laptops which carry less RAM and a much weaker GPU.

If I were selling a laptop to someone today it would be an APU based system wiithout a doubt..

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and future proofing wasn't a stupid argument in the context I was using it because the CPU I was talking about was vastly more powerful than needed whilst being super cheap.. making it future proofed to an extent.
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5/12/12 at 7:30pm
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I've tested it myself and seen the numbers. Point is it's a £30 CPU that performs in the league of a £80-120 CPU with significantly less power usage.
And no it's not an unfair comparison, least not of all because they put mobile and desktop chips in the same page.
Passmark is a popular and reliable benchmark.
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All benchmarks have variance. If two equivalent processors are within 1-2% performance within any given trials the benchmark results are still valid. Different sites with even the same bechmarks often come up with slightly different results. This is normal and doesn't discredit either review so long as the variance is reasonable.

For example 1910 vs 1880 in the athlon x2 benchmarks is a difference of about 1.5%.

So the GTX 670 is the most powerful card benchmarked?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1256576/passmark-says-the-gtx-670-is-the-most-powerful-gpu-tested

And neither of you haven't bothered saying anything about the Tom's Hardware CPU hierarchy.
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I'm not talking about the R-series APU's anyway, nor laptops.

So what are you doing posting in a thread called "AMD readies R-series embedded APUs"?
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If I were talking about APU laptops then they would be the best choice AND value, imho because they consume less power than Intel laptops and are much cheaper while still offering a decently powered CPU. Like this APU that doesn't perform anything ear it's desktop counterpart. It's a great chip and the laptops it features in are around £399. Nearest in performance are the i3-380m laptops which carry less RAM and a much weaker GPU.
If I were selling a laptop to someone today it would be an APU based system wiithout a doubt..
Still discussing Intel CPUs...
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and future proofing wasn't a stupid argument in the context I was using it because the CPU I was talking about was vastly more powerful than needed whilst being super cheap.. making it future proofed to an extent.

"Future-proofing" gives a different meaning to everyone. Realistically it's a hyperbole describing something as immune to the need for technological advances. To you it may be considered "future-proof" but to other people it's not as "future-proof" as an i3, i5, or i7.
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The discussions started here:
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All in all, Trinity is only good for people looking for a cheap desktop, while people who game with a dedicated GPU will go much better off with a CPU from Intel.

Wherein I said:
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£30 Intel Celeron G530 performs better than a Core2Duo E8400 and has HD2000 graphics. If you want a cheap desktop Intel is also a viable option wink.gif

I didn't bring desktops into the discussion.

Yea you didn't bring it into the discussion, intentionally. One member just simply recommended an Intel CPU with a discrete graphics card. Then you had to take it further and bring in a comparison between 2 Intel CPUs and "improved" on the recommendation.

So either you unintentionally brought the discussion in here, or Cloudfire brought it in and you just made it worse.

Either way, you're keeping that irrelevant discussion in this thread down to page 11 and you're desperately trying to defend your actions. The only thing that matters in your discussion is that it's irrelevant to this thread, and should all be deleted.
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post #104 of 106
5/12/12 at 8:17pm
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~Snip

I had to stop reading responses pretty quick because of stuff like this... The guy posts a wall of text and a video, not once talking about, mentioning, comparing or hinting at the AMD CPU's the thread is about...

Not picking on you Rubers, you were just fortunate enough to be one of the very off topic comments I was viewing when I decided to post myself.

Just one time, once ever... I wanna come into a thread to do with AMD and not have to read about Intel this and that or IPC this and that.

AMD is targeting embedded systems. Your Intel can do what? I don't give a flying... well, I don't want to get an infraction, so just shut up.

Edit> just read the last 2 pages to see where it ended up... sigh.

Again, not picking on you Rubers, just bad timing for you I guess but I read this:
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I'm not talking about the R-series APU's anyway, nor laptops.

Checks thread title... doh.gif
Edited by Fuell - 5/12/12 at 8:20pm
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5/13/12 at 1:08am
Well unlucky because the OP even contains a PDF document drawn up by AMD comparing their chips with Intel's.

There was nothing wrong with any of my posts, nor discussing Intel CPUS and least not of all talking about desktop APUs in an embedded APU thread. I reported one of my posts and asked mods to delete as necessary, if at all and nothing has happened therefore the only people out of line are those derailing the thread with posts like the previous two (more on the first less for the second).

No offence but get over it. Especially bitech who's clearly clutching straws "still discussing Intel"? Yeah while I compare to and recommend an APU.

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5/13/12 at 1:32am
Once again back on topic, I can't believe I have to wait until August to get one of these. 47
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