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I've said this many times before, and I will say it again: the number of people that use their laptops for document productivity, media creation and other cpu-intensive tasks far outweighs the number of people who do heavy gaming on a laptop. Besides, most gaming occurs on consoles, handheld devices and desktop gaming pcs, in that order.

I think the point here is that every day programs used for document productivity and media creation are no longer just 'cpu-intensive'. The line between GPU = gaming, CPU = productivity is quickly becoming blurred. More and more computational work and processing is being done by the GPU, and I think the entire point of implementing a GPU on the CPU die was to take advantage of this phenomena. While Intel's CPU is certainly better in a strict CPU benchmark, I'd be interesting to see how ivy bridge/HD4000 of intel compares with AMD's APUs in daily tasks. I think there already a few examples out online, and Trinity looks like it's doing very well. I think Intel has recognized this as well, as their Ivy Bridge was a very modest CPU upgrade, but a phenomenal GPU upgrade.
    
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I think the point here is that every day programs used for document productivity and media creation are no longer just 'cpu-intensive'. The line between GPU = gaming, CPU = productivity is quickly becoming blurred. More and more computational work and processing is being done by the GPU, and I think the entire point of implementing a GPU on the CPU die was to take advantage of this phenomena. While Intel's CPU is certainly better in a strict CPU benchmark, I'd be interesting to see how ivy bridge/HD4000 of intel compares with AMD's APUs in daily tasks. I think there already a few examples out online, and Trinity looks like it's doing very well. I think Intel has recognized this as well, as their Ivy Bridge was a very modest CPU upgrade, but a phenomenal GPU upgrade.

Numbers-wise, Intel kills despite the APUs having the more advanced gpu. But what really matters (IMHO) isn't which one scores the highest, but rather which one scores the best in price:performance. Outside of the enthusiast segment, CPUs are so overpowered for the day-to-day tasks of computer users that people are tending to go with the lower-numbers-performing option because the price is right.
    
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I've said this many times before, and I will say it again: the number of people that use their laptops for document productivity, media creation and other cpu-intensive tasks far outweighs the number of people who do heavy gaming on a laptop. Besides, most gaming occurs on consoles, handheld devices and desktop gaming pcs, in that order.

I'll also say what I said in the last thread. While you might be right with your above statement,but you underestimate how many people want a decent cpu/gpu at a great price with laptops. IF this wasn't the case, Intel wouldn't be losing mobile market share for 4 quarters in a row now. Pretty much ever since Llano launched, and I expect the trend to most likely continue with Trinity. Let me stress that I am talking mobile market share not all cpu market share where intel/amd have traded in certain quarters, but in mobile, intel has consistently lost.


2nd quarter 2011
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2098499/amds-x86-market-share-rise

3rd quarter 2011
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20111103170604_Intel_Regains_Market_Share_from_AMD_as_Market_Shifts_to_Hybrid_Microprocessors.html

year end +4th quarter(no specific market share for 4th quarter only)
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Intel-Dominated-AMD-Gained-in-Chip-Market-in-2011-IDC-148600/

1st quarter 2012
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/042512-amd-gains-x86-processor-market-258688.html
( no one breaks down the market share increase but all sites attribute to AMD mobile sector)
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Numbers-wise, Intel kills despite the APUs having the more advanced gpu. But what really matters (IMHO) isn't which one scores the highest, but rather which one scores the best in price:performance. Outside of the enthusiast segment, CPUs are so overpowered for the day-to-day tasks of computer users that people are tending to go with the lower-numbers-performing option because the price is right.

^ This...

It is amazing how low a SandyBridge processor, or other Intel processors with Speed Step, will clock themselves. As of right now my processor is sitting at 1596mhz, and it hovers right around that with just about everything done on this system aside from gaming. Web browsing, e-mail, business related tasks, etc require next to no power on a system. That is why AMD is so appealing in laptops with their APU right now. They have plenty of power for the day to day and with the ability to xfire with a mild discrete card for decent gaming performance, there is no reason to spend a boat load of money.
    
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£30 Intel Celeron G530 performs better than a Core2Duo E8400 and has HD2000 graphics. If you want a cheap desktop Intel is also a viable option wink.gif

can G530 beat a E8400 at 4GHZ though?

also i dont even think a Pentium Sandy Bridge really beats e8400 according to this

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=406
    
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So we'll have desktop trinity, mobile trinity, and now this "R" series trinity? I'm confused about what the R-series will be used in.

*reads title* Uhm,.. embedded systems maybe?
    
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Piledriver will be faster. I'm not even remotely worried about Trinity being faster than Llano... clock speed difference is far too much in Trinity's favor.

We don't know that yet. We need benchmarks. BD was slower than P2 hexa core at single threaded apps and pile driver is just a tweaked version of BD, you get the idea. i FEEL that, the entire designed failed back in 99-06 with the Pentium 4.
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*reads title* Uhm,.. embedded systems maybe?

What embedded systems currently use these sorts of processors?
    
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I think both you and me know that Trinity APUs will still get severely beaten by everything Intel has to offer. The only thing AMD is good at, is IGP performance, which is where it crush the HD4000.
All in all, Trinity is only good for people looking for a cheap desktop, while people who game with a dedicated GPU will go much better off with a CPU from Intel.

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I think both you and me know that Trinity APUs will still get severely beaten by everything Intel has to offer. The only thing AMD is good at, is IGP performance, which is where it crush the HD4000.
All in all, Trinity is only good for people looking for a cheap desktop, while people who game with a dedicated GPU will go much better off with a CPU from Intel.

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Well said.

No argument there--but does that detract from anything? I'll reiterate what I said a bit ago--outside of the enthusiast segment, CPUs (virtually all current CPUs) are so over-powered vs. what the general daily computer user wants to do, that it inevitably comes down to price:performance. So long as the price remains reasonable, AMD will continue to gain marketshare with their APU segment, regardless of how superior Intel's CPUs are.
    
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