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isnt the whole point of trinity more or less bringing affordable laptops to the market that is well heeled in gpu? i can see who this would attract.

Yes and that is why it's so massively successful thumb.gif
 
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AMD cites casino game machines as an application for their embedded graphics chips. I'm pretty sure those aren't limited to such small power envelopes.

Yeah, I guess that is technically and embedded solution. My point was that this chip was certainly not designed for those applications. The R series APUs are meant for laptops and notebooks.
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You missed the point which was people were saying to get an AMD for desktops (like, office and home use) because they're cheap. But the Celeron G530 outperforms an E8400, has an IGP and is only around £30. The point isn't to be playing games on it. Overclocking the E8400 isn't an option for someone on a budget, either.
Celeron G530: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G530+%40+2.40GHz = 2,260 - £31
A6-3140MX http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+A6-3410MX+APU = 2.260 - Laptop only
A4-3400 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+A4-3400+APU = 1,704 - £46
A6-3500 www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+A6-3500+APU = 2,122 - £54
and finally
E8400 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8400+%40+3.00GHz = 2,222 - £~120
Dunno why those benches you show have it lower because every where else seems to have it pegged higher.
Imho, when building a PC for home users who aren't going to be playing games it looks like Intel is a viable option. I used one myself just recently and I was absolutely shocked by how well a £30 CPU performs. We have an E8400 in the HTPC and it benches at just under the G540 on Passmark. The G530 gets 2,400 and the E8400 gets 2,345 (both are higher than the scores on Passmark's website) but baring in mind that the G530 is a 65W CPU that draws around 6-20W on idle and the E8500 draws roughly 30W on idle (including C1E and EIST enabled), the G530 is 2.4GHz and the E8400 is 3GHz... it makes it extremely viable and a much better CPU, especially given that it has a IGP which the E8400 doesn't.
It also seems to handle gaming just fine, not that' that's the point of the discussion we're having....
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_6.html#sect0

You're relying a little too much on that website.

E8400 outperforms a Celeron G530 according to this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

And here's some examples as to why you shouldn't rely on that site:

AMD A8-3530mx: 2,587
AMD A8-3510mx: 2,607

AMD A6-3430mx: 2,228
AMD A6-3410mx: 2,260

AMD Athlon X2 260: 1910
AMD Athlon II X2 260: 1880

(these 2 are actually the same processor, but listed twice and have different scores)

Intel i5 450m: 2530
Intel i5 540m: 2473

Last I check processors with a higher number are supposed to be stronger than ones with lower numbers. I can find several more examples, but the fact they mix DESKTOP and MOBILE parts into one single benchmark makes it a bit difficult to find a fair comparison.
Edited by Bitech - 5/11/12 at 3:16pm
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You're relying a little too much on that website.
E8400 outperforms a Celeron G530 according to this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
And here's some examples as to why you shouldn't rely on that site:
AMD A8-3530mx: 2,587
AMD A8-3510mx: 2,607
AMD A6-3430mx: 2,228
AMD A6-3410mx: 2,260
AMD Athlon X2 260: 1910
AMD Athlon II X2 260: 1880
(these 2 are actually the same processor, but listed twice and have different scores)
Intel i5 450m: 2530
Intel i5 540m: 2473
Last I check processors with a higher number are supposed to be stronger than ones with lower numbers. I can find several more examples, but the fact they mix DESKTOP and MOBILE parts into one single benchmark makes it a bit difficult to find a fair comparison.


All benchmarks have variance. If two equivalent processors are within 1-2% performance within any given trials the benchmark results are still valid. Different sites with even the same bechmarks often come up with slightly different results. This is normal and doesn't discredit either review so long as the variance is reasonable.

For example 1910 vs 1880 in the athlon x2 benchmarks is a difference of about 1.5%.
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Originally Posted by Bitech View Post

You're relying a little too much on that website.
E8400 outperforms a Celeron G530 according to this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
And here's some examples as to why you shouldn't rely on that site:
AMD A8-3530mx: 2,587
AMD A8-3510mx: 2,607
AMD A6-3430mx: 2,228
AMD A6-3410mx: 2,260
AMD Athlon X2 260: 1910
AMD Athlon II X2 260: 1880
(these 2 are actually the same processor, but listed twice and have different scores)
Intel i5 450m: 2530
Intel i5 540m: 2473
Last I check processors with a higher number are supposed to be stronger than ones with lower numbers. I can find several more examples, but the fact they mix DESKTOP and MOBILE parts into one single benchmark makes it a bit difficult to find a fair comparison.

I've tested it myself and seen the numbers. Point is it's a £30 CPU that performs in the league of a £80-120 CPU with significantly less power usage.

And no it's not an unfair comparison, least not of all because they put mobile and desktop chips in the same page.

Passmark is a popular and reliable benchmark.
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Intel Celeron G530 @ 2.4GHz
My Passmark: 2405
Passmark Website: 2260
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Intel Core2Duo E8300 @ 2.83Ghz
My Passmark: 1918
Passmark Website: 1989
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Intel Core2Quad Q8200 @2.33Ghz
My Passmark: 3609
Passmark Website:3276
295

Intel Core i5-2500k @ 4.5GHz (just for lols)
My Passmark: 8883
Passmark Website: 6743 @3.33Ghz
299

Seems pretty legit to me to say that the G530 is a hell of a CPU for £30.

EDIT:

BTW I have EIST enabled on all my CPU's hence the idle multipliers showing lower than stock clocks on ALL CPU's. All were run at stock except for my machine (i5) which I cba to take off my overclock.
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Graphics score, what about CPU score?

It's a mobile CPU. You're not going to be running a web server or doing extreme CAD work or video encoding on it. You might game however...GPU performance is much more relevant in the mobile sector unless we're comparing Atoms.
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People easily forget that a lot of games are not just GPU bound, but also is highly dependent on the CPU as well. Which is why I said that people with dedicated graphic cards should buy Intel.

Depends on the price, for example if you can get a HD7870m with AMD but only a HD7770m with the Intel then the AMD would generally be faster.
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I've said this many times before, and I will say it again: the number of people that use their laptops for document productivity, media creation and other cpu-intensive tasks far outweighs the number of people who do heavy gaming on a laptop. Besides, most gaming occurs on consoles, handheld devices and desktop gaming pcs, in that order.

The amount of people that actually have CPU-Intensive versions of those tasks is extremely small. Document productivity can be limited by the CPU, except if its a smallish Excel doc then it'll run fine on anything this side of a Core 2 Duo.
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£30 Intel Celeron G530 performs better than a Core2Duo E8400 and has HD2000 graphics. If you want a cheap desktop Intel is also a viable option wink.gif

For high-end, AMD is a viable option. Doesn't mean it's the best. tongue.gif
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^ This...
It is amazing how low a SandyBridge processor, or other Intel processors with Speed Step, will clock themselves. As of right now my processor is sitting at 1596mhz, and it hovers right around that with just about everything done on this system aside from gaming. Web browsing, e-mail, business related tasks, etc require next to no power on a system. That is why AMD is so appealing in laptops with their APU right now. They have plenty of power for the day to day and with the ability to xfire with a mild discrete card for decent gaming performance, there is no reason to spend a boat load of money.

Yep, right now my FX-4170 is at 1409Mhz and running perfectly fine. I don't even notice it clock up to 4.8Ghz most of the time.
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Who plays games on a laptop? I'll continue to use my laptop for work related applications while you have a sub-par BF3 experience at low non-native resolutions.
I mean seriously what kind of question is that? I have spreadsheets open all the time on my laptop.
And now I got another guy telling me to buy a P4 model. Great idea. Not sure how I'm going to take that 24 inch CRT on the plane or how that laptop is going to give me six hours of battery life for my whole trip but hey that's not important.

While I agree about the guy with the P4 model...You may have spreadsheets open all the time, but are they actually using even 25% of the CPU? Most people don't do the Excel productivity you see on Anandtechs benches..They have a few simple addition, multiplication, etc sums that ran fine on a P3 and runs fine albeit a little bit faster now.
    
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^ Missed the point tongue.gif. For budget desktops (desktop not gaming machines) that Intel is both viable and the best (imho... Plus benchmarks). If you're going to use a discrete GPU, it's also still the best option! Give that G530 a HD7770, GTX460 or a GTX550 and it's a little beast for the money. I may just have to bench the one I have over the next few days (if my GF will let me dismantle her PC).

People are stuck on this idea that these APU's are good in desktops but I'm not convinced. In laptops I've seen how great they are, but in desktops I've been underwhelmed!
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^ Missed the point tongue.gif. For budget desktops (desktop not gaming machines) that Intel is both viable and the best (imho... Plus benchmarks). If you're going to use a discrete GPU, it's also still the best option! Give that G530 a HD7770, GTX460 or a GTX550 and it's a little beast for the money. I may just have to bench the one I have over the next few days (if my GF will let me dismantle her PC).
People are stuck on this idea that these APU's are good in desktops but I'm not convinced. In laptops I've seen how great they are, but in desktops I've been underwhelmed!

The topics not about desktop, is it? And AMD budget is the best, IMO. Most tasks a gamer would do, you don't need an extremely fast CPU and the difference between a Celeron and Llano is nearly nothing. Llano would get higher FPS if you got a dedicated AMD GPU if there was hybrid CFX action happening too. I can see the arguments for the G530 though, they're great little CPUs.
    
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Except that the 570M will still net better gaming performance than anything trinity has lined up in its gpu. Inter-component latencies have pretty much zero impact when comparing real gaming performance. At the same details and settings, despite how much potential I think trinity has, a CPU + 570M will slaughter it--ain't no way a trinity APU will give smoother gaming performance.

 

 

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