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post #41 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:05am

I don't see the big problem here (well I do but not from a legal standpoint). It's their software, why not push for more use of their own software along with it instead of that of other companies which they get no benefit from?

 

I don't see how Mozilla Firefox is suddenly an industry standard that every company should be legally inclined to support via it's operating systems, regardless of popularity.

 

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5/10/12 at 11:09am
Isn't this what apple does already? Can't use anything but safari mobile on their ARM mobile devices. Am I wrong?
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post #43 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Lifeshield View Post

It's their software, why not push for more use of their own software along with it instead of that of other companies which they get no benefit from?

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post #44 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post

So you'd rather be subject to Microsoft's inane user-limitation rules and closed-hardware? Windows RT will be locked down as tightly as iOS is. I know it looks like Windows 8, but its not.

I'll be honest, I haven't used WP7 or Windows 8 on mobile devices, but I won't argue that Windows 8 isn't "locked down," only that it's not locked down in the same way that iOS is. Apple wants to corral users, and has historically done that via iTunes. The first thing I care about is stability (and I'm probably in the minority that doesn't use a crapton of apps--mostly just email, maps/navigation, facebook, and a couple public transportation apps). Second is being able to plug my device into a computer and drag/drop files that I want (songs, videos, pictures, etc.) without having to go through an intermediary (like iTunes or some other software). If a device can do those things and not have me constantly experiencing crashes, freezes, and CTDs I'd gladly use it, no matter what the level of being "locked down" might be outside of those things.
Edited by guyladouche - 5/10/12 at 11:22am
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post #45 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:16am
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well until someone else creates a dl manager that works as well as downthemall im not switching to anything else, or purchasing anything that dosnt allow me to have a choice in what i use on MY property...

The hardware you run it on is your property. The software is not.
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post #46 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:32am
Well lol Google has something to be happy about, this will be big for Android!(if Google still owns Android) I would like to see Firefox and DolphinHD merge and create the ultimate Mobil browser and make MS look stupid as hell for pulling an Apple.


If some one gave me a Wphone, I'd sell it as fast as I could! Lol

Is it just me or has Microsoft been making very poor business decisions lately?
Edited by cayennemist - 5/10/12 at 11:35am
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post #47 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:40am
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I don't see how Mozilla Firefox is suddenly an industry standard that every company should be legally inclined to support via it's operating systems, regardless of popularity.

Its because the browser isn't a core part of the OS. Its viewed as separate product. There's no technical reason why Mozilla or Google couldn't publish their own browser. The APIs are there. Its just that Microsoft is shutting them down for the sole reason of increasing their own browser marketshare, and thats all kinds of illegal. Microsoft has been trying to do this constantly for the past decade and they've been repeatedly shot down.
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post #48 of 101
5/10/12 at 11:40am
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In before people say MS can do what they want because it's their OS (tip: they can't).
Why wouldnt they be able to decide what is installed on their OS? I dont agree with them restricting the users software, but I cant see why they arentt allowed to. I know its against the law, but thats just stupid.
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5/10/12 at 11:46am
Microsoft's line of argument is so ridiculous no judge would ever approve something like this to go forward. This is actually a good thing, because courts around the world will probably start looking at Apple and make them change their policies too.

Quote:
Microsoft Deputy General Counsel David Heiner told Mozilla it won't permit other browsers for two reasons, Anderson said:

ARM processors, which power virtually all iOS, Android, and Windows Phone smartphones and tablets today, are different from the x86 chips that power PCs. The chips have new requirements for security and power management, and Microsoft is the only one who can meet those needs.
Windows RT -- the version of Windows 8 geared for ARM devices -- "isn't Windows anymore."


The first argument is pure non-sense. If they are concerned about battery life just put a disclaimer when people try to install third-party applications and let the user decide from himself - after using those applications, if they use more battery life, etc. BUt I doubt even this would be acceptable, because Microsoft is just as likely to produce inefficient code as everybody else.

The second argument is so laughable I'm surprised they even dare use it. They went as far as make an interface they are intending to also use on the desktop so the user experience is the same, and now they claim Windows RT is not Windows ? LOLOLOL.

I'd like to know what Microsoft Deputy General Counsel would say to a judge when presented with a tablet running Windows RT and another tablet running Windows 8 on an x86 Atom CPU.
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5/10/12 at 11:54am
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Why wouldnt they be able to decide what is installed on their OS? I dont agree with them restricting the users software, but I cant see why they arentt allowed to. I know its against the law, but thats just stupid.

Again it's a monopoly thing. But I'm thinking people in the US much rather have the appearance of convenience over having freedom of choice. Sure MS has progressed with IE and Windows but that only came about do to direct competition. When that goes they may or may not progress as much(as little) and that's bad. Everyone complains about Apple's slow responses to things but that's simply because they have "absolute control" control over there OSes. They have very little incentive to progress any faster than they want or to fix problems any faster than they want/can bury them with money. How do you think MS would behave given the same situation? Hell, they are still using NTFS and don't seem to be in any hurry to develop anything "better".
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