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ANYONE who curses someone as a result of the brand of their cpu needs to start drinking much earlier in the morning for medicinal purposes, (that is if their old enough).
    
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ANYONE who curses someone as a result of the brand of their cpu needs to start drinking much earlier in the morning for medicinal purposes, (that is if their old enough).
trust me i do
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at more of a price plus a newer technology core. just remember that intel just now recently took over the performance crown that amd has held since the thunderbirds....
I definately disagree.

Intel held more world records for performance than AMD ever did (pre-conroe). Intel's superpi time alone was about 4 SECONDS faster than AMD's. A dothan which is pretty much a crippled CPU due to platform limitations, could outperform an FX clock for clock EASILY. Not to mention that Intel is so ahead of the game technology wise it's not even funny. The only thing I've seen AMD destroy in was the early dualcores (Smithfield 8XX vs X2). Once the preslers came out, that was done.

45nm soon. Amd still doesnt have 65nm.
Quad core is OUT. Amd? Who knows.
2MB of L2 for a LONG time now. Amd? 1MB at the most.
SSSE3 on Intels.
Pinless CPU's for years.
DDR2 for YEARS while AMD is just getting there.

ETC.

AMD has controlled the market due to HYPE. If AMD has been dominating, why is Intel a much bigger company?

EDIT:

Not to mention that good AMD's are dependent on steppings. Lots of AMD's are dogs just because of a bad stepping. Intel doesnt really have stepping issues.

Another thing AMD people rave about is 64-bit. Great. 64-bit = a waste of time so far.
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BigVal, the voice of reason again. Id rep you but we cant
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It really gets under my skin....

Intel develops a CPU that totally decimates everything for a LOW cost and what do some people do? Shoot it down. Saying that you want to stick with AMD because you already have a board and RAM is fine. State the real reason for that though, which is money. If I were to offer a Conroe system to anyone with a 939 rig, they'd take it. Not upgrading due to cash reasons is fine, but why upgrade from a P3 then? I have a top of the line P3 at home in my closet... Upgrading is essential when it comes to computers.

It is OK to say Intel is better (even if you believe it will change). Everyone needs to get off their little perch..

Sorry for the rant.
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netburst architecture?
who was the slower one w/ cycles per clock?

and a big reason that intel gets better superpi is because of their FSB speeds...
It doesnt matter about 6 or 9 ops. AMD's 3000+ is clocked at 1.8ghz while Intel's equivalent is clocked at 3ghz. It doesnt matter. The extra speed balances it out. It's not like Intel was incapable of higher ops, the conroe does around 12. The Intel Dothan does 9 and so did the pentium 3.

AMD fans constantly make fun of Intel's FSB as being a dumb idea and a huge bottleneck. Now it helps them win in superpi? I'm pretty confused.

We totally derailed this thread, but hey, it's wholesome discussion. This IS a computer forum after all. I dont have anything against AMD either, I own one.
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It doesnt matter about 6 or 9 ops. AMD's 3000+ is clocked at 1.8ghz while Intel's equivalent is clocked at 3ghz. It doesnt matter. The extra speed balances it out. It's not like Intel was incapable of higher ops, the conroe does around 12. The Intel Dothan does 9 and so did the pentium 3.

AMD fans constantly make fun of Intel's FSB as being a dumb idea and a huge bottleneck. Now it helps them win in superpi? I'm pretty confused.

We totally derailed this thread, but hey, it's wholesome discussion. This IS a computer forum after all. I dont have anything against AMD either, I own one.
i never said that fsb was a dumb idea. i think its a rather good idea to keep it for intel, because it works. (btw intel is going to a memory controller in the future muhahaha).

and compared the AMD64 3000+ to the P4 3 GHz...do you know the price difference between the two? when it was released you could buy the AMD cheaper and get really good performance out of it.

and intel does kick the crap out of amd in superpi........ its obvious, especially c2d. fsb + clockspeed w/ superpi and you got yourself a kickass superpi machine. but i'd rather play video games can only run superpi in 28.8s 1m runs....

netburst???
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i never said that fsb was a dumb idea. i think its a rather good idea to keep it for intel, because it works. (btw intel is going to a memory controller in the future muhahaha).

and compared the AMD64 3000+ to the P4 3 GHz...do you know the price difference between the two? when it was released you could buy the AMD cheaper and get really good performance out of it.

netburst???
Yeah that's another thing. Intels can run 4 sticks no problem (4GB, 8GB whatever) and overclock just fine. AMD's fold with more than two sticks usually. I dont know why Intel wants to move to an integrated memory controller when what they have works. Maybe their version wont have issues, who knows.

Yes, price was a good thing for AMD. Although, AMD got pretty greedy and jacked up the prices like CRAZY for their dualcores. An FX-60 was over $1000 when you could buy a much cheaper X2 4400, OC it a little bit and have the same thing. Intel also has the 805, which overclocks to 4ghz+. AMD's cheapest dualcore was never even close in price.

Netburst sucked. I agree. It still hung with AMD's technology though...
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Netburst sucked. I agree. It still hung with AMD's technology though...
with AMD at much lower clockrates, power consumption and heat generation though
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