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5/14/12 at 12:09pm
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I'm not sure how i'm being mean -_-. Commenting on English being your second language was not meant to be insulting, it was just an observation proving you didn't even read my post (as even if English was your first language there's no way to read that entire thing in under 10 minutes). thumb.gif
And you're wrong about how boost works, you can see for yourself by following the links in the edited version of my post you just quoted.

I read it all and i know how auto tune works. Because i dont have the same opinion with you that doesnt mean that i didint read it. You can get some amesome overclock in gtx670 but this means nothing. You gain a 20% overclock but in fps term? After 5% the overclock dont scale with the actual performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/powercolor-radeon-hd-7950-pcs-review/24 reference 7950 with a mild overclock
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-review/24 reference gtx670 with a very good overclock. You can see that the 6 fps increase with 20 % overclock the scale is horrible. Maybe its the memory bandwidth dunno.

But what i know from my experience of the taxiti pro aka 7970/50 the 1200 coreclock is pretty much easily achievable. You can see here in OCN some 7950 max oc can easily match any 7970 or gtx680 max oc.
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5/14/12 at 12:19pm
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You have no idea how turbo-boost works
A 670 will ALWAYS run at max boost when it's under load, the only time it won't is when heat becomes an issue

there you go..

benches with no turbo boost please..
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You can see that the 6 fps increase with 20 % overclock the scale is horrible.

I loled hard when i saw that.. Oh my shinny 670 have 20% of overclock..
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Ok what for?
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5/14/12 at 12:24pm
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I read it all and i know how auto tune works. Because i dont have the same opinion with you that doesnt mean that i didint read it. You can get some amesome overclock in gtx670 but this means nothing. You gain a 20% overclock but in fps term? After 5% the overclock dont scale with the actual performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/powercolor-radeon-hd-7950-pcs-review/24 reference 7950 with a mild overclock
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-review/24 reference gtx670 with a very good overclock. You can see that the 6 fps increase with 20 % overclock the scale is horrible. Maybe its the memory bandwidth dunno.
But what i know from my experience of the taxiti pro aka 7970/50 the 1200 coreclock is pretty much easily achievable. You can see here in OCN some 7950 max oc can easily match any 7970 or gtx680 max oc.

First off, i just linked to a review where a 20% overclock equated to a 13.8% increase in FPS. How is that not scaling? That's fairly typical scaling actually.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up that guru3d review again, i already broke it down in detail in my massive post (which you apparently read but didn't comprehend). Both cards have very even overclocks. 670's can easily hit 1300c+ and 1850m+, in that review it's only at 1228c and 1,755m. So both cards are at a very equal average overclock. Also, I'm not sure you realize how massive a 6fps increase is when the game is only getting ~40fps. That's an 11% increase on a ~17% overclock. The 7950 only saw a 19% increase with a 30% overclock. That means the 7950 is only scaling 14% better than a 670 which is negligible and meaningless when you realize a 670 can hit a higher max overclock.

You should also go reread my large post on that guru3d review because i explain why only benching two games is meaningless (plus crysis 2 favors AMD heavily and it only scored ~3.5% better). You also completely ignore how the 670 is 11% better in the 3dmark bench and 1% ahead in Alien vs predator. So good job ignoring evidence that doesn't support your biased opinion.
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5/14/12 at 12:26pm
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there you go..
benches with no turbo boost please..
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You can see that the 6 fps increase with 20 % overclock the scale is horrible.
I loled hard when i saw that.. Oh my shinny 670 have 20% of overclock..
'
Ok what for?

Good job taking my post out of context. I specifically mention if heat will throttle a 670 then it will ALSO prevent the 7950 from hitting it's max overclock as well since the 7950 puts out more total heat when overclocked.

I also just proved a 20% overclock on a 670 translates to a 13.8% overclock, so good job ignoring facts. Confirmation bias is strong with you my friend.
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5/14/12 at 12:28pm
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First off, i just linked to a review where a 20% overclock equated to a 13.8% increase in FPS. How is that not scaling? That's fairly typical scaling actually.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up that guru3d review again, i already broke it down in detail in my massive post (which you apparently read but didn't comprehend). Both cards have very even overclocks. 670's can easily hit 1300c+ and 1850m+, in that review it's only at 1228c and 1,755m. So both cards are at a very equal average overclock. Also, I'm not sure you realize how massive a 6fps increase is when the game is only getting ~40fps. That's an 11% increase on a ~17% overclock. The 7950 only saw a 19% increase with a 30% overclock. That means the 7950 is only scaling 14% better than a 670 which is negligible and meaningless when you realize a 670 can hit a higher max overclock.

You even post in this thread. Just lol :http://www.overclock.net/t/1256423/disappointed-with-gb-gtx-670-overclock

Its dumb to continue saying that a gtx670 can easily do 1300+. Sure some cherry picks but thats not easily


And to the link. Lol 20 % overclock from the default clock. Your gtx670 will never gonna work at 915 mhz. Just rofl
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5/14/12 at 12:33pm
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Good job taking my post out of context. I specifically mention if heat will throttle a 670 then it will ALSO prevent the 7950 from hitting it's max overclock as well since the 7950 puts out more total heat when overclocked.
I also just proved a 20% overclock on a 670 translates to a 13.8% overclock, so good job ignoring facts. Confirmation bias is strong with you my friend.

But you said it always run on turbo boost, then you contradict yourself that heat is an issue.. Thats why i want to see benches with no boost on them..

Like i said before every pc setup is different from person to person... And we need benches with this feature turned off..

Sounds like the intel turbo boost feature which is applicable in some specific critieria and scenarios..


Anyway till i see a benches with this feature disabled entirely i will still taking those benches with a grain of salt...



But is not gonna happen right>? XD

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5/14/12 at 12:35pm
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You even post in this thread. Just lol :http://www.overclock.net/t/1256423/disappointed-with-gb-gtx-670-overclock
Its dumb to continue saying that a gtx670 can easily do 1300+. Sure some cherry picks but thats not easily

That's one example out of 100+ on this forums, plus every single review on other sites broke 1200c overclock. Please, go look up confirmation bias, because you're a text book example of it. So, one person, out of 100+ couldn't break 1250 when the average is actually closer to 1300 if you go read the Gigabyte hands-on thread? So why did you throw out all of the other example and only present that one? Oh, because it's the ONLY ONE that confirms your biased opinion.
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5/14/12 at 12:40pm
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That's one example out of 100+ on this forums, plus every single review on other sites broke 1200c overclock. Please, go look up confirmation bias, because you're a text book example of it. So, one person, out of 100+ couldn't break 1250 when the average is actually closer to 1300 if you go read the Gigabyte hands-on thread? So why did you throw out all of the other example and only present that one? Oh, because it's the ONLY ONE that confirs your biased opinion.

I will not continue this you are such a fanboy. Guys gtx670 is a great card but i would take 7950 because i really dislike the autotune thing. Peace
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5/14/12 at 12:48pm
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But you said it always run on turbo boost, then you contradict yourself that heat is an issue.. Thats why i want to see benches with no boost on them..
Like i said before every pc setup is different from person to person... And we need benches with this feature turned off..
Sounds like the intel turbo boost feature which is applicable in some specific critieria and scenarios..
Anyway till i see a benches with this feature disabled entirely i will still taking those benches with a grain of salt...
But is not gonna happen right>? XD
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First of all, i specifically said it runs at full boost all the time if heat isn't an issue, so i didn't contradict anything. Learn the definition of the word. Secondly, the boost is dynamic, it doesn't ONLY go no-boost or full-boost, it increases by steps of ~13mhz. So if heat was an issue, it would still be boosting, but just not as much.

The reason this information is irrelevant is because a overclocked 7950 in the same scenario as an overclocked 670, will suffer from heat MORE because a 7950 produces more heat. So if the 670 EVER has to throttle itself down then the 7950's overlook will have to be manually reduced as well. The fact that a 670 produces less heat means even in a situation where the 7950 is too hot at a high-overclock, the 670 might still be able to run at full boost. So you still don't understand how it works with comment liks that.

And that graph is inaccurate and incomplete. I also like how you used it out of context, classy touch thumb.gif. He's listing the boost clock speed for half of those not the maximum clock speed with boost (there's a huge difference). You can ask the author yourself and he confirm that half of those entries are incomplete as he didn't have the maximum boosted clock data.
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5/14/12 at 12:49pm
All I know is I d on't believe Nvidia is as far ahead as AMD in tesselation when AMD takes Metro and Crysis 2 and then proceeds to completely spank them in Heaven 3.0.

Also the 7970/680/670 comparison is more interesting as AMD's current scaling is better and the 7970 is easily the best overclocker of the bunch. I had my reference asus card pushing 1325 stable with a mid-sized voltage bump.

The problem if you ask me with current Nvidia offerings by the way is that they locked down voltage and because of that you will see poor overclocks unless you are lucky enough to get good silicon. See you used to be able to get bad silicon but push a ton of volts through it and get a decent overclock. Now with the 6** series it's entirely dependent on luck.
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