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So this is what happens when Nvidia has to rely on their engineers for profits and not overly protective TSMC wafer agreements. No GPGPU, Smaller chip, less redundancies, lower yields.
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So this is what happens when Nvidia has to rely on their engineers for profits and not overly protective TSMC wafer agreements. No GPGPU, Smaller chip, less redundancies, lower yields.

Okay seriously? rolleyes.gif If you want GPGPU then buy a Tesla,smaller chip would be better and cheaper to make wouldn't it(?), enlighten me on "lower redundancies", and I don't know what your talking about. GK104 performed better than expected according to Nvidia.

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Okay seriously? rolleyes.gif If you want GPGPU then buy a Tesla,smaller chip would be better and cheaper to make wouldn't it(?), enlighten me on "lower redundancies", and I don't know what your talking about. GK104 performed better than expected according to Nvidia.
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People were getting good GPGPU performance from GeForce cards if they did not need Nvidia support from Tesla. There are redundancies in GPUs like fabric which are interconnects between each core. AMD and Nvidia face yield issues so they had to add more redundant fabric so it would still work.

I do not know if this was the case with Keplar gpu.
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Less redundancies as in ghost hardware on the chip.
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Okay seriously? rolleyes.gif If you want GPGPU then buy a Tesla,smaller chip would be better and cheaper to make wouldn't it(?), enlighten me on "lower redundancies", and I don't know what your talking about. GK104 performed better than expected according to Nvidia.
OT: When I buy options I tend to stay away from the technical area. It seems to be just a rollercoaster of prices. frown.gif

People were getting good GPGPU performance from GeForce cards if they did not need Nvidia support from Tesla. There are redundancies in GPUs like fabric which are interconnects between each core. AMD and Nvidia face yield issues so they had to add more redundant fabric so it would still work.

I do not know if this was the case with Keplar gpu.

Oh so each core helps out other cores for better performance? (I think I may have read the lower yields part wrong and confused it with Performance =/= Yields (don't ask how))
     
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Oh so each core helps out other cores for better performance?)
No. Think of the mesh redundancy as a highway. AMD built an 8 lane into the 5870, Nvidia built a 4 lane into the 480. There were a lot of crashes on 40nm. So AMD had higher yields because more lanes were open. Nvidia had yields in the 20% range for the life of the product because the highway was barely ever open.

There are other redundancies as well, AMD has a ghost rop for every 2 live in the 7970.
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Oh so each core helps out other cores for better performance?)
No. Think of the mesh redundancy as a highway. AMD built an 8 lane into the 5870, Nvidia built a 4 lane into the 480. There were a lot of crashes on 40nm. So AMD had higher yields because more lanes were open. Nvidia had yields in the 20% range for the life of the product because the highway was barely ever open.

There are other redundancies as well, AMD has a ghost rop for every 2 live in the 7970.

Oh okay I get it now. Thanks! thumb.gif
     
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to clear up a few things.

First and foremost, a fiscal quarter is not a standard, every companies is different. Q1 may be jan1 - march 31 or it could be any date they see fit (many companies use feb 1 - april 30 and so on)

Second, revenue could be 50000% higher, but if operating expenses and profit margins are up and down respectivly then it doesnt matter, shareholders care about 2 things, profit and shareholder wealth, since profits are down and share value is relatively unchanged, that is a problem.

Third, do realize that desktop graphics are not as lucrative as SoCs (tegra) and mobile platforms (desktop graphics (aside from workstation) are most likely their lowest revenue generator.

To clear up any confusion. Nvidias quarter ended april 29th, so yes, the gtx680 launch and a month after were included. So to anyone eho said they werent clearly has no idea what theybare talking about
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I bet the OP owns AMD stocks and look, he even own a AMD 5850 rolleyes.gif

Everyone know that today NVDA is up. Heck, it reached up to 10% today! Now that's a fact! This thread title is bias.
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I bet the OP owns AMD stocks and look, he even own a AMD 5850 rolleyes.gif
Everyone know that today NVDA is up. Heck, it reached up to 10% today! Now that's a fact! This thread title is bias.

Why you say bad stuff about good old Sir Sebastian?
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