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I'd be willing to bet from experience that its simply RDP + that hardware causing your issues. Any reason why you don't use local media player installs and just view the files on shares/stores ?

VM/RDP & Multimedia/Graphics Acceleration still doesn't really go hand in hand imo.

Because the machine is INCREDIBLY too slow to play the media back natively, this is exactly the reason why I'm trying to make a remote setup to my server work. The server has MORE than enough power to do what I need it to do, even if its just the CPU doing the work. You can watch 1080p content just fine if the CPU is powerful enough without GPU processing. I know because of my Athlon x2 6000+ HTPC rig (current sig rig). When I use its onboard GeForce 6150, it still plays 1080p blu rays back just fine, because the CPU can do it.
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The 100Mbps NIC is on the old and slow rig. My server has dual Gigabit NIC's, and about oh...8TB worth of drives in RAID10. The server and network isn't the issue, its the old slow rig. Not sure how to fix it either.
I guess I can try VLC.

I think it depends the type of NIC. Some NICs will offload from the CPU, such as an Intel, maybe a broadcom, but a realtek nic likely has no such hardware to do this. In any event, the easiest way to test such a thing is so test the throughput, you should be able to transfer about 12MB/s, watch the CPU usage when you do this. With regards tot he 8TB of drives and raid10, the size doesn't matter, but raid 10 should help a bit. It's a complicated issue, but I don't think it's symptomatic to the problems you're having.

On a side note, doesn't the 6200 have video acceleration?

Lol.....NOOOOO. The 6200 has no video acceleration at all in this regards. I don't think video acceleration (media) was around until roughly the 8500GT or so.
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To be 110% clear (appologies for double posting if I do).....

I'm ONLY wanting to do this because that ONE machine is too incredibly old and slow, and I cannot afford to replace it right now. All my other machines use native ways to access the server. This RDP stuff is ONLY intended for that one slow machine that can't hack it with WMP and XBMC.
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Because the machine is INCREDIBLY too slow to play the media back natively, this is exactly the reason why I'm trying to make a remote setup to my server work. The server has MORE than enough power to do what I need it to do, even if its just the CPU doing the work. You can watch 1080p content just fine if the CPU is powerful enough without GPU processing. I know because of my Athlon x2 6000+ HTPC rig (current sig rig). When I use its onboard GeForce 6150, it still plays 1080p blu rays back just fine, because the CPU can do it.
Lol.....NOOOOO. The 6200 has no video acceleration at all in this regards. I don't think video acceleration (media) was around until roughly the 8500GT or so.

I completely understand what you're trying to do and why you're trying to do it, I just don't think you're properly taking into account that the video steam needs to be broke down by the RDP, sent over the network, and then rebuilt again on your machine. I've already stated there are several ways this can be done, and I don't know specifically how RDP works, but one way to do it would be to use some sort of compression mechanism and to send the data across to the local machine, which again needs to build it into the video using the local machines resources. If thats how they do it, it's feasible that there could be some savings, but there are much better ways to do this without all the overhead and uncertainty. Another, more elegant way to do RDP, is to completely offload rendering to the local machine, which makes this idea completely pointless. Theres probably a whole bunch of other ways, but I can't think of a single way that'd make this a good idea. tongue.gif

Oh and I'm aware that your server is beefy, but I was suggesting with multiple high bit rate clients you'd start to have problems, especially so if your CPU is being used to read multiple files from disks, render them, and transfer them over the network. Times that by 3 clients at once, and you're looking at a whole other ball game. Remove the rendering problem, and you're probably just looking at I/O issues though.
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Part of the issue is that RDP doesn't allow for DirectX acceleration. The other side of the coin is the GPU on the host doesn't allow for video acceleration. Also RDP uses both the server and the hosts resources. When you launch an application on a remote desktop, the server for the RDP uses it processor to launch the application, then encapsulates the packets in the RDP protocol and sends it off. The host then receives the packets and reassembles them. In the case of a video stream over an RDP connection you will have to have some kind of support for the proper acceleration on the hosts accessing the remote desktop to have the video displayed properly.

I hope this kind of makes sense, in my head it does lol.
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Part of the issue is that RDP doesn't allow for DirectX acceleration. The other side of the coin is the GPU on the host doesn't allow for video acceleration. Also RDP uses both the server and the hosts resources. When you launch an application on a remote desktop, the server for the RDP uses it processor to launch the application, then encapsulates the packets in the RDP protocol and sends it off. The host then receives the packets and reassembles them. In the case of a video stream over an RDP connection you will have to have some kind of support for the proper acceleration on the hosts accessing the remote desktop to have the video displayed properly.
I hope this kind of makes sense, in my head it does lol.

That makes a lot of sense--good info. Too bad it means that pioneerisloud is SOL...
    
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On what OS? I can only use Windows 7. For whatever strange, and unknown to me reason....not a single one of my wireless cards in this house will work on my network without Windows 7 (Haven't tried Vista, don't want to). In XP, I don't remember if they couldn't FIND the network, or that they couldn't authenticate.
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That makes a lot of sense--good info. Too bad it means that pioneerisloud is SOL...

Well he would be ok I think if he got a GPU like a 9800 or better. Just something that supports the hardware acceleration for the video.
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Im surprised he got as far as he did with WMP.

Last I remember (been a while since I delved too far into settings) VLC has TONS of options for doing things like this.... other than just being able to play anything you throw at it, isnt that one of the VLC bonuses???
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Im surprised he got as far as he did with WMP.
Last I remember (been a while since I delved too far into settings) VLC has TONS of options for doing things like this.... other than just being able to play anything you throw at it, isnt that one of the VLC bonuses???
I think so, but I haven't used VLC all that much. IIRC VLC does have an option to pass all video acceleration to the proc, but in the case for the OP I don't think that would help him too much with the spec's of the rig he is having issues with.
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Well I tried VLC out, that didn't work either. Same problems, or it wouldn't display anything at all (over RDP). The client machine itself is just too dang slow to do much of anything on its own natively, hence why I keep trying it that way. Linux is out....the only network connection I have on that machine is wireless, and I doubt the wireless will even work.

I just need something to get video to work on that machine. frown.gif RDP of some kind being preferred, so I can bypass the slowness of that machine all together.

Oh, and a better video card is out. Remember, its AGP. It's socket 754. There are no video accelerating GPU's available on the AGP slot unless I overpay for an HD2400 or HD3850 or something (I forget what all cards there were, but ATi were the only ones that made AGP).
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