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Originally Posted by randomizer View Post

That's paradoxical. Chicken or egg?

How could it be paradoxical? Latin came before English, a lot of English words derive from Latin.
post #62 of 72
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he asked about semantic!i gave exemple,it could be anything related to computing !and lobbist,lawyer,juge etc etc a lot of peoples work is in sementic!if anybody could remove this ,lol a lot of people would be out of work!

Will you learn english!? Every post you write is full of syntax and grammar errors. I'm not one to nit pick, but come on man. I can't even understand you.

Back on topic, I think virus is perfect terminology. Bad thing that hurts your computer. A lot of people don't know what malware is and by using the term malware insteae of virus would continue to create a facade of safety for the average user who thinks, "Oh it's just malware, not a virus.". The issue stems from intrest groups trying to manipulate people and language. The same can be said about the word, "theory". Our culture has assumed that the world theory implys that it's just a bunch of hypothetical stuff, and not facts, which in contrast is exactly the opposite. So for all you people out there who say, "Oh, it's just a theory." Stop it, stop it now, you are making yourself look like an idiot.
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Well here's my input as someone who provides phone tech support for an ISP. If I tell a (typical) customer that he has malware, the first thing he is going to respond with is "what's malware?" If I tell him he has a virus, he'll understand exactly what I mean(and then vehemently deny it since that means he has to do something and won't be getting that precious $1.30 credit for losing a day of service). I'm not saying that there shouldn't be standardized terms, but "virus" is already in common parlance, and it isn't going anywhere any time soon. Might as well expect people to stop calling cotton swabs "Q-Tips."

In short, it's good to be knowledgeable. Just remember to observe Wheaton's Law.
post #64 of 72
same thing has been done to the word "hack" and "port" (in terms of game design). people walk around using words like "sick" and "disgusting" in a positive sense, when nothing about the definition of either word is remotely positive.

virus has long been used by the avg user as anything that causes problems on the computer and it probably wont change any time soon. its the way language works, people change the way a term is used and, despite it being used wrongfully, and it is adapted as a legitimate word. tbh it makes sense that more people say "virus" rather than "malware" because the term malware wasnt coined until after "virus" has been consistently used as anything malicious on a system.
    
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This article helped me understand the differences.
Mal is just short for Malicious.
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pay special attention to the filename—if the file is supposed to be an mp3, and the name ends in .mp3.exe, you're dealing with a virus.

Too bad Windows dumbs down the extension names by default to meet their user-base class. Most users won't know it has a .exe at the end because Micro$oft thinks the typical Windows user doesn't understand what extension a filename is using.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 5/15/12 at 6:31am
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pay special attention to the filename—if the file is supposed to be an mp3, and the name ends in .mp3.exe, you're dealing with a virus.
Too bad Windows dumbs down the extension names by default to meet their user-base class. Most users won't know it has a .exe at the end because Micro$oft thinks the typical Windows user doesn't understand what extension a filename is using.

No... they have dumbed it down to make it easier for people to understand. They got rid of .exe because most people don't know what that is, and they replaced it with "application"

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If someone downloads an "mp3" file and it saves as an application you have to be an idiot to open it, either that or new to computers.
    
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I just simplify it as Malware these days.
Depends which client im on the phone with i guess.
I got one client who very southern and religious, I just tll him his computer is the devil and needs an exorsist


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If someone downloads an "mp3" file and it saves as an application you have to be an idiot to open it, either that or new to computers.

I think you are giving the AVERAGE user WAY too much credit to notice that the type column doesn't jive with the name "file.mp3" (file.mp3.exe)
    
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Confusing people is fairly easy, just show them what they expect to see and they will believe it. The Wiki article on "misdirection" has a bunch of good examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdirection_(magic)

See what I mean?

So of course calling an .exe "song.mp3" will trick quite a few people, even fairly experienced users will fall for it if they are rushing.
Edited by GingerJohn - 5/15/12 at 2:29pm
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Huh? I really can't think of a good reason to remove extensions as a default behavior. I can't see how that is supposed to make it easier on the average user.

Easily one of the very first things I do on a clean install is to enable them.
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