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so i ended up buying E-vga7600 gt.

the weird thing is, after i installed the card, now my ethernet 1 connection does not work, tried different cables reinstalled drivers, and still no signal, but it still shows up in windows as a connection.
is it a coincidence or something wrong withe the board?

so far computer running for an hour, no problems(except for lan)
also here are the pictures of my 7900gt, there are black,blue, and purple capacitors:

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Actually the check card doesn't really matter, its just to check to see if the problem persists with a different video card that the original and thus if the problem is with the video card. If you still get the problem with the replacement video card, then its unlikely its the video card that is the problem.

I would then go into full fault-checking mode. Strip the machine down to the basics, cpu, one stick memory, video card. Not even an HDD. Just let it post as far as it will go, ie - BIOS, and see if the problem occurs. If not, then you know you its the the cpu, that one stick of memory or the video card. Try the one memory stick in the other slots, see what happens. Then try your other sticks, first each alone and then in combination with the others.

Keep adding components until you get the fault. Bingo, you will have found the fault. Eventually you will get to bootingn into your OS. You may have to reinstall windows, or do a repair installation. Or, if you have a spare drive, you might try setting up a new installation of just the OS on that and booting into it and see what happens. If that setup doesn't exhibit the behavior, bingo, its something in your software. Just keep setting up specific tests of various components (including software) until the behavior either does or doesn't exhibit. Its generally better to do this in some order or pattern.

If you do get the fault at the first basic setup, try pulling the rig out of the case and running it in the open. Make sure the board is supported so its not possible to short. If it fails then, you might try a different stick of memory, if that still fails you might try some other memory. If that fails, try a different cpu.

During this process, it wouldn't hurt to try the various components in a known working rig. If that exhibits the behavior, bingo! If not, you will be assuring yourself its not those components.

Of course, it helps to have dozens of rigs about or to own a computer store or warehouse.

In the end, it may just be a bad motherboard, possibly something with the power circuits. I also wouldn't exclude the PSU from the above testing. It definitely should be able to power this system without trouble. It doesn't seem to have a problem, but you need to monitor it up to the point when you have a failure. Just because it behaves itself for an hour or two means nothing, so does the rest of the rig. Yet there is a problem. You need to be looking at voltages and temperatures at the time of the problem. SpeedFan will let you graph most of the functions it monitors and I believe you can have it save those graphs, even email them to wherever. I wouldn't just rely on one monitor either, get CoreTemp, NXSensor, CPU-Z, Gcpuid, Everest, MBM, etc. whatever you can find to monitor your system.

This is a really sucky problem, mostly because of the 4 to 6 hour wait for it to happen.

One more question, is there any odd behavior once the problem occurs and you restart? Reluctance to start, post, boot, high temps, wierd voltages, erratic behavior? Anything at all? Every bit of information may be helpful in some way so I would recommend you start a log and write down everything.

Oh, are there any specific apps consistently running when the behavior occurs? It might be good to list them all.

Good luck, I have similar basic system but with the SLI enabled, its very gratifying. Keep posting your results. We will get to the bottom of this.
thanks for the help
i really hope that it is a video card, then i would just rma my video card, the process you described seems very long

Also there is no noticable odd behavior. Mostly the system locks up (freezes), but sometimes i get a BSoD, which tells me some stuff(i write it down if i get it again). When it freezes i usually hit reset and everything works ok again for about 5-6 hours. I checked in the bios, temps were normal, i would have to see the manual for volateges . i left it overnight; went to sleep at about 12:30, in the morning the clock(computer) was frozen at 1:48ish, and it was running since 8:30.
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I think all the capacitors are supposed to be purple now. As for the 7600GT problem, that is VERY ODD...when you unhooked the 7900 and replaced with the 7600GT, did you still have power connected to the PSU? As in, the cord was still connected?
    
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All of my drivers are up to date, and i updated MB bios too.
Hey there!

Did you have this problem prior to re-flashing your BIOS?
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Originally Posted by Syrillian
Hey there!

Did you have this problem prior to re-flashing your BIOS?
yes, that's why updated my bios,
for some reason i don't like messing with my bios

if this helps...
when i tried updating bios through windows based software, at the end i got BSoD, everytime i would logon the windows would load , but give me a BSoD after 2-3 min.
so i had to re-updated it through ther bios
and now its back to ''normal'' , it starts to lock up after 5-6 hours.
thanks for helping
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I think all the capacitors are supposed to be purple now. As for the 7600GT problem, that is VERY ODD...
what i find odd is that 7600gt did not have a plug/port for psu,
even my old agp 6600 needed extra power
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when you unhooked the 7900 and replaced with the 7600GT, did you still have power connected to the PSU? As in, the cord was still connected?
i really did it in a hurry so i don;t clearly remember unhooking the power cord, but usually i almost always do it as a habit.
can that cause the problem?
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everyone thanks for helping,
i have school tomorrow, so i will leave the computer overnight to download some stuff, to see if changing the video card solves the problem,
i'll tell you everything tomorow,
good night!
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what i find odd is that 7600gt did not have a plug/port for psu,
even my old agp 6600 needed extra power
my 7300gt doesnt have a alternate power supply either

hey i noticed that you have the bfg 7900gt, is it by chance the gt oc version because if it is that may be a big part of your problem because they were ocing them without enough volts and it was causing the things to be unstable and it doubled the problems associated with the allready faulty cards
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Humm, haven't had a hint of a problem with my two BFG 7900GT ocs (actually, that's the only way they make them. I think you may be thinking of a different brand than BFG, but maybe not, have you a link regarding the problems?).

kuba, yes, I hope its something simple and obvious as well, because as you note, the faulting process is long, tedious and not much, if any, fun. Unfortunately, its always the last thing we try, the last place we look, that reveals the source of the problem.

I note you say you are checking the BIOS for temps. That's virtually useless as by the time you can get back up into BIOS, the temps will have changed significantly if they are any bit out of whack. The only things you might detect would be really extreme conditions which I believe would already be obvious by the escape of the magic smoke, the release of the mystical flame and/or flash of the holy bolt of lightning.

Do get some monitoring programs so you will have real-time access to temps, voltages, fan speeds, etc. There's lots of freeware that is very good, ie - SpeedFan, CoreTemps, NXSensor, CPU-Z, Gcpuid. Its good stuff to have even if you don't have a crisis. I keep a couple of CDs with the latest versions of all my favorites so I can hand them out or install them at any time, anywhere.
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my 7300gt doesnt have a alternate power supply either

hey i noticed that you have the bfg 7900gt, is it by chance the gt oc version because if it is that may be a big part of your problem because they were ocing them without enough volts and it was causing the things to be unstable and it doubled the problems associated with the allready faulty cards
no i have a xfx normal-clocked video card
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